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Old Thu Dec 06, 2007, 12:36pm
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Defender hits dribbler's hand; ball goes OOB; Whatcha got?

A1 is dribbling by the sideline. B1 reaches for the ball, doesn't hit the ball, but accidently hits A1's hand, which is in contact with the ball, and the ball goes out of bounds (without hitting anything else other than the floor). Call? Rules reference please?

Please consider 7-2, 7-3 and 4-24-2 in your answer.

I think the correct call by rule is Out of Bounds violation on A1. Am I missing something? BTW, I suspect most would say the ball was hit OOB by B1 and ignore the contact.

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Old Thu Dec 06, 2007, 12:41pm
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Who caused the ball to go OOB?

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Old Thu Dec 06, 2007, 12:48pm
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As JR stated. The contact by B1 caused the ball to go OOB. Since hitting the hand which is in contact with the ball is the same as hitting the ball; B1 hit the ball OOBs.
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Old Thu Dec 06, 2007, 12:52pm
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As JR stated. The contact by B1 caused the ball to go OOB. Since hitting the hand which is in contact with the ball is the same as hitting the ball; B1 hit the ball OOBs.
However - was the ball last touched by A? :-)
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Old Thu Dec 06, 2007, 12:54pm
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However - was the ball last touched by A? :-)
In this particular play, it doesn't matter. I got into a very heated debate over this one time, and it ended up that I was wrong. Everyone (as far as I can tell) interprets the rules and cases in this sitch as oob off of B. You just have to go with it.

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Old Thu Dec 06, 2007, 12:54pm
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However - was the ball last touched by A? :-)
9-3-1...A player shall not cause the ball to go out of bounds.
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Old Thu Dec 06, 2007, 12:55pm
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In this particular play, it doesn't matter. I got into a very heated debate over this one time, and it ended up that I was wrong. Everyone (as far as I can tell) interprets the rules and cases in this sitch as oob off of A. You just have to go with it.
OOB off A or B?
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Old Thu Dec 06, 2007, 12:59pm
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There is no way to hit the hand and not hit the ball, OOB off of B1...that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Old Thu Dec 06, 2007, 01:01pm
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9-3-1...A player shall not cause the ball to go out of bounds.
However, if we are to strictly adhere to that logic, what would we have when A1 is tied up in the corner and throws the ball at B1's legs and it goes oob off of B1? That would seem to be another case where A1 caused the ball to go oob but we would never give the ball to B in this case.

For the record, on the original situation I'm giving the ball back to A as I consider that to be the "right" call.
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Old Thu Dec 06, 2007, 01:04pm
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However - was the ball last touched by A? :-)
Per the OP, it touched nothing else but the floor.
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Old Thu Dec 06, 2007, 01:05pm
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However, if we are to strictly adhere to that logic, what would we have when A1 is tied up in the corner and throws the ball at B1's legs and it goes oob off of B1? That would seem to be another case where A1 caused the ball to go oob but we would never give the ball to B in this case.
I'm just giving information, actually, and am more interested in other responses than anything else. That said, the rebounding off of B1's leg is what caused the ball to go OOB, not A1's throwing of the ball.

Just like in the original post if B1 hits A1's hand while in contact with the ball causing the ball to go off A1's foot OOB, then it's B's ball...
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Old Thu Dec 06, 2007, 01:09pm
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However, if we are to strictly adhere to that logic, what would we have when A1 is tied up in the corner and throws the ball at B1's legs and it goes oob off of B1? That would seem to be another case where A1 caused the ball to go oob but we would never give the ball to B in this case.

For the record, on the original situation I'm giving the ball back to A as I consider that to be the "right" call.
In your stated case, IMO, B1 caused the ball to go out of bounds (off his/her legs). Again you are assuming A1 "intentionally" threw the ball at the legs of B1 rather than attempting a pass that "happened" to hit B1 in the legs. I believe the rules reference hitting someone in the face intentionally, but the legs are fair game...
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Especially on dates.

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Especially on dates.

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Old Thu Dec 06, 2007, 01:18pm
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the hand bone's connected to the wrist bone,
the wrist bone's connected to the arm bone,
the arm bone's connected to the elbow bone,
the elbow bone's connected to the upper arm bone,
the upper arm bone's connected to the shoulder bone, ........ etc.

ball off A OOB giver to B
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