violation- tossing the ball aganist the defender

[mutantducky]

kind of a cheap play- anything illegal about it. Player dribbles, goes for a shot either in air or on the ground and seeing it will get blocked tosses the ball against the defender and then gets the ball again after it hits.

Or offensive player while holding the ball, puts the ball out in front and makes contact so the defender hand or body touches the ball. But it is clearly not enough to knock it loose and the player drops the ball then begins a new dribble. Violation? Double dribble or traveling?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

kind of a cheap play- anything illegal about it. Player dribbles, goes for a shot either in air or on the ground and seeing it will get blocked tosses the ball against the defender and then gets the ball again after it hits.

Or offensive player while holding the ball, puts the ball out in front and makes contact so the defender hand or body touches the ball. But it is clearly not enough to knock it loose and the player drops the ball then begins a new dribble. Violation? Double dribble or traveling?

A. Legal play. That is a pass which has contacted another player.

B. Illegal. Since the touching by the opponent doesn't dislodge the ball from the player's grasp. The drop constitutes the start of a second dribble.

[mutantducky]

in A. So even if there is no other offensive player nearby once the player hits the ball off the defender and goes to get the ball it is ok?


guess I can't call intentional grounding.

[mbyron]

And: the floor can't cause a fumble.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

in A. So even if there is no other offensive player nearby once the player hits the ball off the defender and goes to get the ball it is ok?

Of course. This is no different than the relatvely common practice of a player being trapped near a boundary line and throwing the ball off the defensive player to cause it to go out of bounds.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

in A. So even if there is no other offensive player nearby once the player hits the ball off the defender and goes to get the ball it is ok?


guess I can't call intentional grounding.

Correct, this is not football. The proximity of a receiver has no bearing.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

A. Legal play. That is a pass which has contacted another player.

No problem with this answer because you called it a pass. Let's change it up a little. The player loses the ball, i.e. interrupted dribble, that contacts, but is not controlled by, a teammate, and "rebounds" back to the original player. Can he start another dribble?

[shishstripes]

9-5 A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
Art 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by, another player.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by shishstripes

9-5 A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended unless it is after he/she has lost control because of: Art 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by, another player.

Nice try. Almost got it. But let's say the interrupted dribble is caused, not by a fumble, but by the dribbler accidentally dribbling off his foot. The ball then hits a teammate, who doesn't gain control of the ball, in fact, the ball hits the teammate in the back of his leg, and then the ball rebounds back to the dribbler, who catches it with both hands. Can he start a new dribble?

[mutantducky]

I say yes once he caught it with both hands because before that the first dribble did not end.

meant to say no here, REALLY. Confusing wording but I meant that the dribble ended once he picked it up with both hands.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Nice try. Almost got it. But let's say the interrupted dribble is caused, not by a fumble, but by the dribbler accidentally dribbling off his foot. The ball then hits a teammate, who doesn't gain control of the ball, in fact, the ball hits the teammate in the back of his leg, and then the ball rebounds back to the dribbler, who catches it with both hands. Can he start a new dribble?

Billy,
That would be an illegal dribble violation.

9-5 is very specific.

A. If the loss of control is due to a try for goal, then NO ONE has to touch it before that player may regain control and dribble again.

B. If the loss of control is due to a pass or fumble, then the original player may regain control and dribble again after ANY OTHER PLAYER touches or was touched by the ball.

C. If the loss of control is during a dribble, and thus becomes an interrupted dribble, then before that player may regain control and dribble again the ball must be touched by an OPPONENT.

As you may recall, the NFHS updated and changed this rule just last season to reflect the longstanding manner in which it was being called.

*Please note that the original player may always go recover a fumble or interrupted dribble without violating (a pass is different), but may not be allowed to dribble again.

[shishstripes]

Very nice explanation Nevada.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That would be an illegal dribble violation. If the loss of control is during a dribble, and thus becomes an interrupted dribble, then before that player may regain control and dribble again the ball must be touched by an.

Thanks. That's what I figured, but I needed some logical reasoning and citations to seal the deal in my mind. I doubt that I would be able to register this in my mind, and call the illegal dribble in a fast paced game, but at least I'll get this right if it shows up on a refresher exam.