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[bainsey]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Not a big deal on the hijacking...thankfully it wasn't my plane.

I'll take responsibility for this hijack. I guess I won't becoming an air marshall anytime soon.

I appreciate the replies, though. I suppose I was looking for some ammunition locally when I take my anti-shot-clock stance, and while I agree with JRut's points, I'd be foolish to overlook the experience from Rocky and Kings.

Like any other state in the non-shot-clock majority, I have to tell my fellow statesmen, if you really want a shot clock, either a) our state's commission will have to give up its NFHS vote, or b) the NFHS will have to approve it for state adoption, and it would be right back in our commission's hands, anyway. I just don't see it happening here, and the stall ball games are few and far between, anyway, although the pro-shot-clock crowd act like stall-ball should NEVER happen.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I just don't see it happening here, and the stall ball games are few and far between, anyway, although the pro-shot-clock crowd act like stall-ball should NEVER happen.

Count me as one...in my perfect world, there wouldn't be any stall ball. That's no fun for anyone involved.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by APG

In my perfect world, there wouldn't be any stall ball. That's no fun for anyone involved.

Certainly not as much fun, for the players, coaches, fans, and officials, as an up tempo, fast breaking, slam dunking, game.

However, in order for an undermanned team to have a chance to beat a much more talented team, maybe a taller team, maybe a faster team, maybe a team of more highly skilled players, a stall ball game can level the playing field. And there is some skill involved in a successful stall ball offense. A coach has to devise a game plan that goes against the grain of what teenagers, especialy teenage boys, like to do on the basketball court, that is, run up, and down, the court trying to score at every opportunity. Certainly not an easy task for a coach. It takes a skilled, and patient, coach, and a group of intelligent, and highly disciplined, players, something that can be appreciated by true basketball fans, however it may only be half the fans in the gymnasium that particular night.

[bob jenkins]

Since you can't recruit (well, in most states, at most high schols), then you have to play with waht you have. And if a deliberate game gives you the best chance to win, then play a deliberate game.

What I would like to see -- if one team is holding the ball, and the other team is letting them, then the coaches seem to be agreeing to shoreten the lenght of the quarter. Get them together, agree on a time to be put on the clock (say, 1:00), and resume play.

[OKREF]

Here in Oklahoma, we have no shot clock, so we don't have to worry about things like this.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

What I would like to see -- if one team is holding the ball, and the other team is letting them, then the coaches seem to be agreeing to shoreten the lenght of the quarter. Get them together, agree on a time to be put on the clock (say, 1:00), and resume play.

Hmmmmm...I don't know Bob...smells a little like TRAVESTY.

i.e. people paying good money to come and watch "1:00 quarter(s)" of a player holding the ball. Maybe if the fans had to watch a full quarter, or more, of a player just holding the ball...pressure would be put on the school to actually PLAY basketball.

[Pantherdreams]

As an official I could care less shot clock or no. THough I would rather have 1 set of rules to follow, have people learn etc.

That being said there maybe some merit that in terms of improving players development (and with officials as stakeholders) and improving the game the shot clock does that.

Food for thought:

How The Shot Clock Improves Player Development - theLLaBB

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Hmmmmm...I don't know Bob...smells a little like TRAVESTY.

It's something that's specifically in the rules, and, yes, I have used it (not in a "stall" situation). Not a travesty at all.