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[bainsey]

I don't know how you prove it either way, but what do you suppose happens more often: these type of errors, or stall-ball games?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I don't know how you prove it either way, but what do you suppose happens more often: these type of errors, or stall-ball games?

I don't understand the question.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I don't know how you prove it either way, but what do you suppose happens more often: these type of errors, or stall-ball games?

This took place during an NCAA D-III game, so the issue of having or not having a shot clock does not come into play in this instance.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I don't know how you prove it either way, but what do you suppose happens more often: these type of errors, or stall-ball games?

I don't know, but if all things being equal as far as costs go, I'd still want the shot clock for the high school game (which is what I'm assuming you're leading too with this question).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

I don't know, but if all things being equal as far as costs go, I'd still want the shot clock for the high school game (which is what I'm assuming you're leading too with this question).

And we would have so many problems with the shot clock and these situation than we ever would without the shot clock. We have a ton of problems just at the small college level. I can imagine some parent doing the shot clock and all the times the clock starts too early or does not get reset properly.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And we would have so many problems with the shot clock and these situation than we ever would without the shot clock. We have a ton of problems just at the small college level. I can imagine some parent doing the shot clock and all the times the clock starts too early or does not get reset properly.

Peace

Would there be some issues compared to college and the pros? Sure, but I think after an initial adjustment period, I don't think it would be that big of an issue...just my opinion (and I've been known to be wrong a time or two lol).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

Would there be some issues compared to college and the pros? Sure, but I think after an initial adjustment period, I don't think it would be that big of an issue...just my opinion (and I've been known to be wrong a time or two lol).

I think the issues are not just about the shot clock itself. The issues would be things that need to be corrected or debated and argued with the participants all the time. In small college even when I am paying attention I see a lot of misapplication of the shot clock by the table people there. It happens so often that most of the time you start to make concessions for minor mistakes that if you tried to correct every time, you would spend another 20 minutes added to each game.

And if I had not seen HS people screw up play clocks in football or simple game clock situation, I would have a different opinion. Just Wednesday I was working a HS tournament where we were at a college and I had to correct the game clock like 3 or 4 times. And I consider myself to be very good with the clock because of my college background and was taught to pay attention. I can easily see officials not noticing these things and having major mistakes going unnoticed. It took me time to be that cognizant of the clock and most HS officials have a problem calling travels right, now we are going to have them now follow a shot clock? Do you know how many debates I have had with officials about the last second shot and they are convinced that someone other than the opposite table official should watch the clock or go the the "Cadillac" position all because they think watching the clock is going to help them see a last second shot better. Now we want to involved another element to that equation when they cannot get the basic stuff right now? No thank you. It would be an administrative disaster in a big state like this as there is so much inconsistency as to who ran the shot clock and how much attention to detail they would have to the people that even were responsible.

Peace

[APG]

There are certainly points there I don't disagree with you there JRut...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

There are certainly points there I don't disagree with you there JRut...

In a perfect world I would have no problem with a change. I just do not think it would be worth all the headaches we already have on top of this situation.

Peace

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It took me time to be that cognizant of the clock and most HS officials have a problem calling travels right, now we are going to have them now follow a shot clock?

Peace

...SAY WHAT? REALLY?

Are you trying to tell this forum that "MOST HIGH SCHOOL" officials have a problem calling travels right? MOST OFFICIALS?

C'MON Man...

BTW...I don't mind the shot clock at all, here in Washington State. Sure there are times you deal with it...no big deal.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...SAY WHAT? REALLY?

Are you trying to tell this forum that "MOST HIGH SCHOOL" officials have a problem calling travels right? MOST OFFICIALS?

C'MON Man...

I think Rut is spot on with his comment. Travels are probably the most missed call in a high school game. Yes, more than block/charge.

BTW, the table crew is part of our association in Nevada (Las Vegas anyway) and I wouldn't want to even talk about adding someone else to run the shot clock. Would they be trained properly? Yes, because we have some officials and scorekeepers who work college games on the table.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by APG

Would there be some issues compared to college and the pros? Sure, but I think after an initial adjustment period, I don't think it would be that big of an issue...just my opinion (and I've been known to be wrong a time or two lol).

APG, there would be problems where you currently work HS ball.

[Indianaref]

An interesting play occurred in the Drake/Xavier game on Sunday. Shot clock running down to a couple seconds left, Xavier misses rim, shot clock mistakenly reset, rebound by Xavier and shot made. Drake goes down the other end on offense and gets fouled. Tv timeout. After the TV timeout officials are gathered around the monitor, they use stop watch and determine shot was not in time. Also, they wiped off the foul, put time back on clock and resumed play with a throw in for Drake nearest the violation for the shot clock.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

An interesting play occurred in the Drake/Xavier game on Sunday. Shot clock running down to a couple seconds left, Xavier misses rim, shot clock mistakenly reset, rebound by Xavier and shot made. Drake goes down the other end on offense and gets fouled. Tv timeout. After the TV timeout officials are gathered around the monitor, they use stop watch and determine shot was not in time. Also, they wiped off the foul, put time back on clock and resumed play with a throw in for Drake nearest the violation for the shot clock.

Even more interesting is that it was posted at 6:42 central time last evening here:

Correctable Error: Xavier/Drake Game

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Even more interesting is that it was posted at 6:42 central time last evening here:

Correctable Error: Xavier/Drake Game

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