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[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

In a perfect world I would have no problem with a change. I just do not think it would be worth all the headaches we already have on top of this situation.

Peace

I really don't see this as a problem worth solving. I can count on one hand the number of times I see a possession last up to a minute, and that's being generous. It wouldn't be worth the headaches because there'd be virtually no benefit around here.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

I really don't see this as a problem worth solving. I can count on one hand the number of times I see a possession last up to a minute, and that's being generous. It wouldn't be worth the headaches because there'd be virtually no benefit around here.

The most egregious and most substantial case I've seen was in the 2012 Oregon 5A girls state championship.

Class 5A girls championship: Springfield defeats Willamette 16-7 after Wolverines' stall tactics fail - OregonLive.com

Springfield led 4-0 at the end of the first half, 7-1 at the end of the third quarter, and never came close to letting Willamette into the game down the stretch of the lowest scoring championship final in the history of Oregon high school basketball at any level.

The final was 16-7. It was an atrocity to watch.

[Adam]

My point is not that it never happens, but that the frequency of these "problems" isn't high enough to justify the headaches associated with the proposed solutions.

[rockyroad]

Since we have completely hijacked Jim's thread...

We have had the shot. Lock in Washington State for a number of years. It really is not that hard to deal with, and the problems are not as numerous as some of us on this board are saying...even during the "transition period", it just wasn't that bad. And we have 30 seconds for girls and 35 for boys...not that big of a deal.

[Kingsman1288]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

It really is not that hard to deal with, and the problems are not as numerous as some of us on this board are saying....

Agree. The only time I ever encounter issues with it is during the early stages of the season and even then its not that bad. Most of the schools around here have operators who have been doing it for years so they pretty much have it down.

I wish all states would use a shot clock. It would cut down on the time explaining to visiting teams from out of state how it works, when it resets, etc.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Since we have completely hijacked Jim's thread...

We have had the shot. Lock in Washington State for a number of years. It really is not that hard to deal with, and the problems are not as numerous as some of us on this board are saying...even during the "transition period", it just wasn't that bad. And we have 30 seconds for girls and 35 for boys...not that big of a deal.

Not a big deal on the hijacking...thankfully it wasn't my plane.

I deliberately held off any comment so that I did not taint the jury pool to see what the responses would be like.

What happened was the L official noticed the reset on the catch/kick out and as the clock hit 34 started to blow the play dead for the improper reset of the shot clock. Did not anticipate the catch and shoot. Once we got the situation corrected, the visiting coach said thanks for doing the right thing, the home coach did not get mad (it was his clock operator). They still scored on the possession.

The options we discussed:
Inadvertent Whistle - count the 3 and move on,
Definite knowledge of time on shot clock - neither outside official knew how much time was left when shot was taken,
Give the ball back to white with 11 seconds - shot clock has recall option.

[HawkeyeCubP]

FWIW, I worked in California for 5 years, with a shot clock at the HS level, and not only enjoyed it, but saw less shot clock issues in my HS games than in my juco games.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Not a big deal on the hijacking...thankfully it wasn't my plane.

I'll take responsibility for this hijack. I guess I won't becoming an air marshall anytime soon.

I appreciate the replies, though. I suppose I was looking for some ammunition locally when I take my anti-shot-clock stance, and while I agree with JRut's points, I'd be foolish to overlook the experience from Rocky and Kings.

Like any other state in the non-shot-clock majority, I have to tell my fellow statesmen, if you really want a shot clock, either a) our state's commission will have to give up its NFHS vote, or b) the NFHS will have to approve it for state adoption, and it would be right back in our commission's hands, anyway. I just don't see it happening here, and the stall ball games are few and far between, anyway, although the pro-shot-clock crowd act like stall-ball should NEVER happen.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I just don't see it happening here, and the stall ball games are few and far between, anyway, although the pro-shot-clock crowd act like stall-ball should NEVER happen.

Count me as one...in my perfect world, there wouldn't be any stall ball. That's no fun for anyone involved.