When "shall" means "must"??

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Pretty sure that is not even remotely what he is indicating. If you ask the coach to get 2 players in those spots and he refuses or ignores the request, then the T. For me, this would only happen if I've exhausted all reasonable attempts to get the coach to comply.

Exactly. It's a T for delaying the game. So, it has to be called before the ball is given to the shooter (otherwise it isn't delaying the game). Since there isn't any FT attempt, there can't be any violation.

If you call, and report the T, and the coach *still* doesn't send two players to the lower blocks, then it's another T.

Your game has gone terribly wrong by this point.

[silverpie]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If you call, and report the T, and the coach *still* doesn't send two players to the lower blocks, then it's another T.

Waitaminute. Doesn't the T now put you in a situation where the free throws are shot with the lane cleared?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by silverpie

Waitaminute. Doesn't the T now put you in a situation where the free throws are shot with the lane cleared?

Yes. Good point.

[letemplay]

Jeez...I'm beginning to regret being the OP on this, what I thought was, relatively insignificant play As this holiday rolls closer, I'm just thankful that the finer game of basketball has so many debateable points. Happy Turkey Day...one and all

[tjchamp]

I really don't think you could give a T in this situation. 9-1-2 indicates "Teams shall properly occupy marked lane spaces according to number and space requirements as in 8-1-4.". The penalty for failure to comply is in 9-1-P2 -
2. If the violation is by the free-thrower's opponent only:
a. If the try is successful, the goal counts and the violation is disre*garded.
b. If the try is not successful, the ball becomes dead when the free throw ends, and a substitute throw shall be attempted by the same free thrower under conditions the same as for the free throw for which it is substituted.


Maybe you could give one for 10-1-5b (delaying game), but even that would be a stretch. They just keep getting a violation penalty until opponent makes both throws. Then they have to take the ball out of bounds. If they are not ready then, you really do have problems.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tjchamp

I really don't think you could give a T in this situation. 9-1-2 indicates "Teams shall properly occupy marked lane spaces according to number and space requirements as in 8-1-4.". The penalty for failure to comply is in 9-1-P2 -
2. If the violation is by the free-thrower's opponent only:
a. If the try is successful, the goal counts and the violation is disre*garded.
b. If the try is not successful, the ball becomes dead when the free throw ends, and a substitute throw shall be attempted by the same free thrower under conditions the same as for the free throw for which it is substituted.


Maybe you could give one for 10-1-5b (delaying game), but even that would be a stretch. They just keep getting a violation penalty until opponent makes both throws. Then they have to take the ball out of bounds. If they are not ready then, you really do have problems.

10-1-5b is the exact rule that allows a T to be called. Corrensponding case plays verify this.

[tjchamp]

Yeah, as I re-read it, I think you are correct.

b. Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or from being put in play. See 7-5-1 and 8-1-2 for the resumption-of-play procedure to use after a time-out or the intermission between quarters. The procedure is used prior to charging a technical foul in these specific situations.