Throw In Violation

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

A1’s throw-in hits an official who is on the court. After the ball hits the official, A1 enters the court and screens B2 such that A2 is the first to touch the ball.

Fed ruling?

NCAA ruling?

(assume that the screen is otherwise legal -- time and distance, not moving unless in the same path and direction, within the frame ...)

FED Rule 9-2-6: The thrown ball shall not touch the thrower in the court before it touches or is touched by another player.

NCAA Rule 9-5.1.f: (The thrower-in shall not) Touch the playing court or touch the ball in the playing court before it has touched another player.

Am I mis-reading / mis-interpreting the first part of the NCAA rule? NCAA would have the play be a violation?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

FED Rule 9-2-6: The thrown ball shall not touch the thrower in the court before it touches or is touched by another player.

NCAA Rule 9-5.1.f: (The thrower-in shall not) Touch the playing court or touch the ball in the playing court before it has touched another player.

Am I mis-reading / mis-interpreting the first part of the NCAA rule? NCAA would have the play be a violation?

So a thrower-in must stay out of bounds until the ball touches another player? If so, that's ridiculous.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

So a thrower-in must stay out of bounds until the ball touches another player? If so, that's ridiculous.

I'm sure it's supposed to be read as 2 separate acts before and after the "or". Just poorly written.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm sure it's supposed to be read as 2 separate acts before and after the "or". Just poorly written.

But there's also the (equally poorly written) 9-5.1.e: Carry or hand the ball to a teammate who is on the playing court.

It seems to me that either the "Carry" (in e) and "Touch the playing court" (in "f") are redundant or the "Touch the playing court" really is a violation, or the "Carry" means something other than what I think it does.

[tref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm sure it's supposed to be read as 2 separate acts before and after the "or". Just poorly written.

That has to be the case. I've never seen the thrower stay OOB during EOG situations when he rolls the throw-in from the endline to halfcourt.