"They can't do that!"

[APG]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I see...so basically you cheat and kill a play before it is over.

Nice.

Just IMO and take it for what it's worth, but I don't see how this could be read as anything other than implying Rich is a cheater. He's a big boy and can see fit how to handle this if he feels it needs to.

Again, there's a reason the Giants were as incensed after this tactic and a fight nearly broke out. It's simply not done in the NFL as protocol and as an "unwritten rule." If you watched any other games this Sunday, in an apparent V-formation/kneel down situation, the accepted practice was followed.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Just IMO and take it for what it's worth, but I don't see how this could be read as anything other than implying Rich is a cheater. He's a big boy and can see fit how to handle this if he feels it needs to.

Again, there's a reason the Giants were as incensed after this tactic and a fight nearly broke out. It's simply not done in the NFL as protocol and as an "unwritten rule." If you watched any other games this Sunday, in an apparent V-formation/kneel down situation, the accepted practice was followed.

At worst, he's implying Rich cuts corners, probably similar to calling a foul on a quick touch when the losing team tries to foul (with opposite results) or ignoring the little violations when a game is no longer in doubt.

More likely, (confirmed by rocky himself), it's a rhetorical point. Knowing rocky, I thought it was clearly the latter.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

At worst, he's implying Rich cuts corners, probably similar to calling a foul on a quick touch when the losing team tries to foul (with opposite results) or ignoring the little violations when a game is no longer in doubt.

More likely, (confirmed by rocky himself), it's a rhetorical point. Knowing rocky, I thought it was clearly the latter.

But he came up with a nefarious reason. We do the same as you illustrated all the time and wish I would have used that example earlier.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

But he came up with a nefarious reason. We do the same as you illustrated all the time and wish I would have used that example earlier.

Peace

It was hyperbole.

If anything, the practice Rich noted hurts the offense, in that he eliminates the chance for a fake.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

It was hyperbole.

If anything, the practice Rich noted hurts the offense, in that he eliminates the chance for a fake.

For the record, it is illegal to fake this play.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

For the record, it is illegal to fake this play.

Peace

NCAA rules, it is. No specific coverage in NFHS rules.

I know of more than one white hat that would flag it as UNS after being told the QB is taking a knee, though.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

NCAA rules, it is. No specific coverage in NFHS rules.

I know of more than one white hat that would flag it as UNS after being told the QB is taking a knee, though.

It was considered a deception play to act like you are going to run a kneel down and then try to run a play and we threw a flag. And that is the interpretation from our state as well. We had this happen a couple of years ago and were backed by our higher ups.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

For the record, it is illegal to fake this play.

Peace

Originally Posted by Rich

NCAA rules, it is. No specific coverage in NFHS rules.

I know of more than one white hat that would flag it as UNS after being told the QB is taking a knee, though.

I did hear a WH mention this after telling the defense that the offense was going to take a knee.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

For the record, it is illegal to fake this play.

Peace

And in the NFL, one couldn't fake a knee either as a player simulating taking a knee is considered down.

[jeschmit]

I'll say this... There was more than one game this past weekend where there was a kneel down play when the game was decided by 8 or less points (one possession game). NONE of the other games had defenses that acted in this manner.

Bottom line, it was a cheap shot by the defense. The Giants have a right to be angry.

[APG]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

I'll say this... There was more than one game this past weekend where there was a kneel down play when the game was decided by 8 or less points (one possession game). NONE of the other games had defenses that acted in this manner.

Bottom line, it was a cheap shot by the defense. The Giants have a right to be angry.

Baltimore Ravens vs. Philadelphia Eagles...one point game with even more time left (1:04). And they (rightfully) didn't decide to try and pull these shenanigans.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Baltimore Ravens vs. Philadelphia Eagles...one point game with even more time left (1:04). And they (rightfully) didn't decide to try and pull these shenanigans.

That's the Ravens choice. TB didn't do anything illegal and they didn't try to hurt anybody. They broke a supposed un-written rule by trying to create a turnover during the Victory formation. A lot less dangerous than Golden Tate's illegal peel-back block on Shawn Lee but we have plenty of ex-players and coaches who think that was a great hit and should be legal.

So basically Schiano did something that those same people, in this case, don't like so now he is wrong or a dirty coach.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

They broke a supposed un-written rule by trying to create a turnover during the Victory formation.

Supposed ????

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That's the Ravens choice. TB didn't do anything illegal and they didn't try to hurt anybody. They broke a supposed un-written rule by trying to create a turnover during the Victory formation. A lot less dangerous than Golden Tate's illegal peel-back block on Shawn Lee but we have plenty of ex-players and coaches who think that was a great hit and should be legal.

So basically Schiano did something that those same people, in this case, don't like so now he is wrong or a dirty coach.

That's not just the Ravens' choice...that's what 31 other teams in the NFL do. There's nothing supposed about this unwritten rule. In literally every game this year where the V-formation/kneel down was used at the end of the game, everyone in attendance knew what to do. It's the understood protocol understood by players and coaches. There's a reason that a first year coach straight from college tried this stunt rather than a coach who's been established in the NFL.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

That's not just the Ravens' choice...that's what 31 other teams in the NFL do. There's nothing supposed about this unwritten rule. In literally every game this year where the V-formation/kneel down was used at the end of the game, everyone in attendance knew what to do. It's the understood protocol understood by players and coaches. There's a reason that a first year coach straight from college tried this stunt rather than a coach who's been established in the NFL.

And it is done at every and high school games as well. So this is not just an NFL thing or an NFL position. If this happen in a high school game you might have a fight. If you do this in a college game, you might have a fight. This is not unique or special to the NFL and everyone seems to fall in line.

Peace