"They can't do that!"

bainsey · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:12am

I'm looking for a parallel here.

If you saw the end of the Giants/Bucs NFL game yesterday, you saw the Giants in a "victory formation," but the Bucs opted to pound the line and go for the ball. The Giants were pretty upset about that, even though it's completely within the rules, it's something you "just don't do," according to Coach Coughlin.

(Personally, I think Coughlin needs to review Herm Edwards' famous line.)

Does anyone have an experience along this line where a coach thought the opposing team was doing something wrong, yet it was well within the rules, and possibly innovative?

Rich · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:17am

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Originally Posted by bainsey

I'm looking for a parallel here.

If you saw the end of the Giants/Bucs NFL game yesterday, you saw the Giants in a "victory formation," but the Bucs opted to pound the line and go for the ball. The Giants were pretty upset about that, even though it's completely within the rules, it's something you "just don't do," according to Coach Coughlin.

(Personally, I think Coughlin needs to review Herm Edwards' famous line.)

Does anyone have an experience along this line where a coach thought the opposing team was doing something wrong, yet it was well within the rules, and possibly innovative?

Personally, I think Tampa's play was bush league and, as much as I dislike Coughlin, I think he was exactly right.

Multiple Sports · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:52am

Remember that hs team a few years ago, that was runnung up the score and the 2nd and 3rd units were pressing they were winning games 152 - 46 and not thinking anything of it....is this the kind of stuff you are talking about ????

bainsey · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:32pm

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Remember that hs team a few years ago, that was runnung up the score and the 2nd and 3rd units were pressing they were winning games 152 - 46 and not thinking anything of it....is this the kind of stuff you are talking about ????

Not really. More along the lines of a single play the coach complains is illegal, but rather it's just something legal that he would never do.

rockyroad · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:43pm

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Not really. More along the lines of a single play the coach complains is illegal, but rather it's just something legal that he would never do.

Had a game a few years back where a player only needed 10 or 12 more points to break the school season scoring record. The visiting team obviously knew this, and they played a box-1 and triangle-2 defense the entire game to keep the kid from getting the ball. He ended up scoring a couple on free throws...home coach b!tched about it the entire game. Nothing we could do about it.

APG · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:48pm

Winning team shooting with the shot clock off when the opponent has conceded the game. Not illegal but considered bad sportsmanship.

I also agree with Tom that what Tamba did bush league and far from the accepted practice...at least in the NFL.

Adam · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:19pm

When I was in college (small NAIA powerhouse), one of our captains (a senior guard) had his leg broken on a play like this. I'm on Coughlin's side. This isn't innovative.

rockyroad · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:40pm

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Originally Posted by Rich

Personally, I think Tampa's play was bush league and, as much as I dislike Coughlin, I think he was exactly right.

So you basically think that Tampa should have just quit? Why even put their defense out on the field then? As a football coach, I coach my players to play hard every down. When we take a knee, our linemen still fire off the ball, and our backs are ready to pick someone up coming off the end, and my QB takes a knee and then pops up and backs out of there...no reason to expect a defense to just stand there and do nothing.

Rich · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 17, 2012, 02:10pm

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So you basically think that Tampa should have just quit? Why even put their defense out on the field then? As a football coach, I coach my players to play hard every down. When we take a knee, our linemen still fire off the ball, and our backs are ready to pick someone up coming off the end, and my QB takes a knee and then pops up and backs out of there...no reason to expect a defense to just stand there and do nothing.

My whistle is about as quick as it can get on a victory formation play. If the center-to-QB snap is clean, I blow it dead as soon as the knee starts for the ground.

I couldn't care less how anyone "coaches" this.

rockyroad · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 17, 2012, 02:39pm

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Originally Posted by Rich

My whistle is about as quick as it can get on a victory formation play. If the center-to-QB snap is clean, I blow it dead as soon as the knee starts for the ground.

I couldn't care less how anyone "coaches" this.

I see...so basically you cheat and kill a play before it is over.

Nice.

Rich · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 17, 2012, 02:48pm

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I see...so basically you cheat and kill a play before it is over.

Nice.

Nope, the QB is giving himself up and he has possession of the football. That's good enough for me. If he fumbles the snap, obviously it's a different story.

Local practice is that we are told the QB is taking a knee and we pinch in a bit and protect against anything stupid. We tell the defense that the offense is taking a knee, don't do anything stupid.

I've never seen anything even at the HS level like what the Bucs tried yesterday.

Why is it that coaches immediately go to calling officials "cheaters" and impugn our integrity. You'd think an official would know better than to do that.

APG · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 17, 2012, 04:42pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad

I see...so basically you cheat and kill a play before it is over.

Nice.

Just IMO and take it for what it's worth, but I don't see how this could be read as anything other than implying Rich is a cheater. He's a big boy and can see fit how to handle this if he feels it needs to.

Again, there's a reason the Giants were as incensed after this tactic and a fight nearly broke out. It's simply not done in the NFL as protocol and as an "unwritten rule." If you watched any other games this Sunday, in an apparent V-formation/kneel down situation, the accepted practice was followed.

SamIAm · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:08pm

Does any one have a statistic on the number of fumbled center to QB exchanges last year?

Maybe coughlin does not remember Joe Piscarcik.

When you are within one score, why wouldn't you make them play?

A different angle: perhaps another formation - it seems a punt formation would solve the issue.

BillyMac · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:17pm

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Herm Edwards.

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Originally Posted by SamIAm

Joe Piscarcik.

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Multiple Sports · #15 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:29pm

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