2012 Gold Medal Game: Spain v. USA

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Are you disagreeing with the USC part of the call? I would have a hard time calling anything other than a normal foul here.

Peace

I disagree with the USC part of the call. At first, I thought they went with a USC foul because there was no defender between the the Spanish player and the basket and he was fouled from the side/behind. But on replay they showed that Chris Paul was clearly between everyone and the basket.

Foul it definitely was, but I don't see myself upgrading on this play.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I disagree with the USC part of the call. At first, I thought they went with a USC foul because there was no defender between the the Spanish player and the basket and he was fouled from the side/behind. But on replay they showed that Chris Paul was clearly between everyone and the basket.

Foul it definitely was, but I don't see myself upgrading on this play.

Just to be clear.

A1 loses the ball in a crowd of defenders.
B1, between A1 and the ball, starts to reach for it.
A1 grabs B1's leg and pulls him to the floor as B2 gets the ball and starts heading down court.

You're not going with an intentional?

Would it matter if B2 was releasing a pass to a wide open B3 streaking for the hoop? I don't know if I would have upgraded with the C's view (and he was going in, too, IMS), but from the camera angle it seemed pretty clear.

Of course, the slow motion might be making a huge difference in how I see this play, too.

[Multiple Sports]

I asked a few posts ago about comparing the Olympic officials to Divison 1

officials and the responses seemed to favor the college guys doing a better

job. I would like some more feedback as to why. Now don't get me wrong a

game between Nigeria and Tunsinia yeah, but USA/SPAIN or USA/ARGENTINA

with my man MANU GINOOOOOOOBILI, I am not sure that a first round D1

crew can handle that game......

Just wanna hear some thoughts on the matter..........

Hey Reds....step up and join the forum!!!!!!!!

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

I asked a few posts ago about comparing the Olympic officials to Divison 1 officials and the responses seemed to favor the college guys doing a better job. I would like some more feedback as to why. Now don't get me wrong a game between Nigeria and Tunsinia yeah, but USA/SPAIN or USA/ARGENTINA with my man MANU GINOOOOOOOBILI, I am not sure that a first round D1 crew can handle that game......
Just wanna hear some thoughts on the matter..........
Hey Reds....step up and join the forum!!!!!!!!

Those that could are the ones that are able to adapt to the FIBA game. Even in a Nigeria and Tunisia contest.

[paulsonj72]

What did you guys thing of the foul Lebron committed on Pau Gasol in the 4th quarter when he went for the block and raked him across the eyes? Unsportsmanlike, disqualifying or common foul? Someone(from Europe) thinks Lebron should have been ejected for that foul because(in his eyes) it was clearly intentional and an attempt to injure. Personally, I think that guy is full of ****. Sorry about no video link.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by paulsonj72

What did you guys thing of the foul Lebron committed on Pau Gasol in the 4th quarter when he went for the block and raked him across the eyes? Unsportsmanlike, disqualifying or common foul? Someone(from Europe) thinks Lebron should have been ejected for that foul because(in his eyes) it was clearly intentional and an attempt to injure. Personally, I think that guy is full of ****. Sorry about no video link.

Absolutely nothing more than a common foul. Not even close to anything else.

[paulsonj72]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Absolutely nothing more than a common foul. Not even close to anything else.

I agree with you. Having seen many many many games it was nothing out of the ordinary. Of course the complainer was a spanish fan so he had blinders on.

[APG]

Originally Posted by paulsonj72

What did you guys thing of the foul Lebron committed on Pau Gasol in the 4th quarter when he went for the block and raked him across the eyes? Unsportsmanlike, disqualifying or common foul? Someone(from Europe) thinks Lebron should have been ejected for that foul because(in his eyes) it was clearly intentional and an attempt to injure. Personally, I think that guy is full of ****. Sorry about no video link.

First off, this is the play. I still can't put clips up to YouTube and embed here because the IOC ain't playing any games.

http://www.aromascatering.net/apg/Sp...ron%20Foul.mp4

Second, really?!

I'm not usually harsh, but that might be the stupidest/whackiest "judgement", from what I'm presuming to be a fan, I've heard in a while. We've talked about the UNS foul earlier in the thread and that play is infintely more debatable than trying to make this play a disqualifying/flagrant foul/flagrant two/flagrant foul penalty two.

I wouldn't expect a first year official to try and twist that play into a ejectionable offense. It is plain as day to everyone that LeBron was attempting to steal the ball and there was no attempt to injure. This is a common basketball play (swiping to steal the ball) that happens often enough that sometimes, when a foul occurs, a player will be inadvertently hit in the face. If one was to upgrade the foul, it would have to be PLAIN AS DAY, to everyone in attendance.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by paulsonj72

What did you guys thing of the foul Lebron committed on Pau Gasol in the 4th quarter when he went for the block and raked him across the eyes? Unsportsmanlike, disqualifying or common foul? Someone(from Europe) thinks Lebron should have been ejected for that foul because(in his eyes) it was clearly intentional and an attempt to injure. Personally, I think that guy is full of ****. Sorry about no video link.

Just a regular personal foul.

[rockyroad]

Seems to me that the cross body blocks thrown out by Rudy Fernandez and Navarro (I think) in the 4th quarter - trying to stop potential USA fast breaks - come way closer to the INT, Unsporting, FF1 category than LeBron's foul.

[JugglingReferee]

Grabbing the leg has no place in adequate defense. That's why it was a UNS foul. It is textbook FIBA to issue the UNS.

In a Fed game, I have an INT without hesitation.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I disagree with the USC part of the call. At first, I thought they went with a USC foul because there was no defender between the the Spanish player and the basket and he was fouled from the side/behind. But on replay they showed that Chris Paul was clearly between everyone and the basket.

Foul it definitely was, but I don't see myself upgrading on this play.

I agree with you about the upgrade. I would not call this intentional or FF at the college level. He was falling and kind of out of control and stuck out his arm. It looks worse to me in slow motion than live.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Seems to me like it fits the "foul designed to negate an opponent's obvious advantage" (very loose quote there) part of the definition of an INT foul in Fed...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Seems to me like it fits the "foul designed to negate an opponent's obvious advantage" (very loose quote there) part of the definition of an INT foul in Fed...

Agree...Int.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Agree...Int.

Agreed!