2012 Gold Medal Game: Spain v. USA

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Okay, I didn't see this angle during the game. I don't disagree with the USC call from this view. He clearly grabs the leg in an attempt to neutralize the opponent's obvious advantage. If I saw that grab in one of my games, I'd go with the X.

The original angle they showed us made it look like he just pushed him while trying to get to the ball.

But the reaction was classic. Grown men (and women) should be embarrassed to be seen doing something so cheap.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Okay, I didn't see this angle during the game. I don't disagree with the USC call from this view. He clearly grabs the leg in an attempt to neutralize the opponent's obvious advantage. If I saw that grab in one of my games, I'd go with the X.

The original angle they showed us made it look like he just pushed him while trying to get to the ball.

But the reaction was classic. Grown men (and women) should be embarrassed to be seen doing something so cheap.

Still have to disagree with the call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Still have to disagree with the call.

Are you disagreeing with the USC part of the call? I would have a hard time calling anything other than a normal foul here.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Are you disagreeing with the USC part of the call? I would have a hard time calling anything other than a normal foul here.

Peace

I disagree with the USC part of the call. At first, I thought they went with a USC foul because there was no defender between the the Spanish player and the basket and he was fouled from the side/behind. But on replay they showed that Chris Paul was clearly between everyone and the basket.

Foul it definitely was, but I don't see myself upgrading on this play.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I disagree with the USC part of the call. At first, I thought they went with a USC foul because there was no defender between the the Spanish player and the basket and he was fouled from the side/behind. But on replay they showed that Chris Paul was clearly between everyone and the basket.

Foul it definitely was, but I don't see myself upgrading on this play.

Just to be clear.

A1 loses the ball in a crowd of defenders.
B1, between A1 and the ball, starts to reach for it.
A1 grabs B1's leg and pulls him to the floor as B2 gets the ball and starts heading down court.

You're not going with an intentional?

Would it matter if B2 was releasing a pass to a wide open B3 streaking for the hoop? I don't know if I would have upgraded with the C's view (and he was going in, too, IMS), but from the camera angle it seemed pretty clear.

Of course, the slow motion might be making a huge difference in how I see this play, too.

[Multiple Sports]

I asked a few posts ago about comparing the Olympic officials to Divison 1

officials and the responses seemed to favor the college guys doing a better

job. I would like some more feedback as to why. Now don't get me wrong a

game between Nigeria and Tunsinia yeah, but USA/SPAIN or USA/ARGENTINA

with my man MANU GINOOOOOOOBILI, I am not sure that a first round D1

crew can handle that game......

Just wanna hear some thoughts on the matter..........

Hey Reds....step up and join the forum!!!!!!!!

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

I asked a few posts ago about comparing the Olympic officials to Divison 1 officials and the responses seemed to favor the college guys doing a better job. I would like some more feedback as to why. Now don't get me wrong a game between Nigeria and Tunsinia yeah, but USA/SPAIN or USA/ARGENTINA with my man MANU GINOOOOOOOBILI, I am not sure that a first round D1 crew can handle that game......
Just wanna hear some thoughts on the matter..........
Hey Reds....step up and join the forum!!!!!!!!

Those that could are the ones that are able to adapt to the FIBA game. Even in a Nigeria and Tunisia contest.

[JugglingReferee]

Grabbing the leg has no place in adequate defense. That's why it was a UNS foul. It is textbook FIBA to issue the UNS.

In a Fed game, I have an INT without hesitation.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I disagree with the USC part of the call. At first, I thought they went with a USC foul because there was no defender between the the Spanish player and the basket and he was fouled from the side/behind. But on replay they showed that Chris Paul was clearly between everyone and the basket.

Foul it definitely was, but I don't see myself upgrading on this play.

I agree with you about the upgrade. I would not call this intentional or FF at the college level. He was falling and kind of out of control and stuck out his arm. It looks worse to me in slow motion than live.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Seems to me like it fits the "foul designed to negate an opponent's obvious advantage" (very loose quote there) part of the definition of an INT foul in Fed...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Seems to me like it fits the "foul designed to negate an opponent's obvious advantage" (very loose quote there) part of the definition of an INT foul in Fed...

Agree...Int.

[constable]

FIBA is very clear about unsporting fouls. FED and NCAA could be as well but I don't have those books in front of me and I've been working FIBA all summer.

An unsportsmanlike foul is a player contact foul which, in the judgement of an
official, is not a legitimate attempt to directly play the ball within the spirit and intent
of the rules.
36.1.2 The official must interpret the unsportsmanlike fouls consistently throughout the
game and to judge only the action.
36.1.3 To judge whether a foul is unsportsmanlike, the officials should apply the following
principles:
• If a player is making no effort to play the ball and contact occurs, it is an
unsportsmanlike foul.
• If a player, in an effort to play the ball, causes excessive contact (hard foul), it is
an unsportsmanlike foul.
• If a defensive player ca uses contact with an opponent from behind or laterally
in an attempt to stop a fast break and there is no opponent between the
offensive player and the opponents’ basket, it is an unsportsmanlike foul.
• If a player commits a foul while making a legitimate e ffort to play the ball
(normal play), it is not an unsportsmanlike foul.


copied directly from the FIBA book. Without having seen the play live it sounds like they official could have applied this ruling.