Illegal Screen or Not

[APG]

First off, agree with the illegal screen or not? Should this be the center's/slot's call? Does the lead have his eyes in the correct area?

[Scrapper1]

1) I think it's a pretty weak call. Technically, the screen is not stationary, but it has nothing to do with the play; there's no advantage at all.

2) Definitely should be a whistle from the C, if there's going to be a whistle.

3) I don't have a problem with the L making a call in this type of situation (although, as I said, I think was an incorrect call). There's no competitive match-up in the L's primary, so I think it's ok to expand your vision to the opposite block. In fact, he almost initiates a rotation before the ball wide.

[BLydic]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

1) I think it's a pretty weak call. Technically, the screen is set, but it has nothing to do with the play; there's no advantage at all.

Just curious and learning ... so if the offensive player who is freed up by the screen gets a pass at the low block instead of an outside shot being taken, you wouldn't think advantage gained?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BLydic

if the offensive player who is freed up by the screen gets a pass at the low block instead of an outside shot being taken, you wouldn't think advantage gained?

You answered your own question, didn't you?

[BLydic]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

You answered your own question, didn't you?

I guess, but I was asking you the question since you didn't see any advantage gained. How about if the shot missed and the freed up player had the ball drop in his lap and easily scored, do you feel that an advantage was gained then too? I guess what I'm getting at is do you really wait for an obvious advantage gained on this type of play before you get it?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BLydic

I guess, but I was asking you the question since you didn't see any advantage gained.

The way you worded your question changed the scenario completely by adding an immediate advantage.

Originally Posted by BLydic

I guess what I'm getting at is do you really wait for an obvious advantage gained on this type of play before you get it?

Well, isn't that what we do on all contact before calling a foul?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

1) I think it's a pretty weak call. Technically, the screen is not stationary, but it has nothing to do with the play; there's no advantage at all.

I think that was very weak. For one the defender goes around the screen and I am not convinced the contact really had any effect on the play or was really there. If you are going to call that screen, make it be there. I should not have to look at the video several times to decide which players were fouled or if there was any contact at all.

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

2) Definitely should be a whistle from the C, if there's going to be a whistle.

3) I don't have a problem with the L making a call in this type of situation (although, as I said, I think was an incorrect call). There's no competitive match-up in the L's primary, so I think it's ok to expand your vision to the opposite block. In fact, he almost initiates a rotation before the ball wide.

It seemed like to me he was looking to make an illegal screen call and stopped watching his competitive match-up that was in front of him. I guess the only way I would really be able to evaluate that call would be to see other screens in the game called or not called.

Peace

[canuckrefguy]

An illegal screen, but not a big one - and no advantage gained.

I'm not even sure I'd classify that as one of those "I don't wanna see that again" calls.

I will say that the C's body language doesn't exactly say "I'm engaged and I'm on top of things". But if the L is going to poach something eight feet from his partner, it had better be something a lot more egregious than that.

[Camron Rust]

I'm not so sure the illegal screen that was called was necessarily the everyone seems to think it is. There was another screen that occurred just outside the lane on the lead's side where the defender was trying to get out to the shot. The camera angle wasn't the best to see how much contact did occur there but is it possible that was the one called? (That is the one he should have been looking at).

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

especially when there were 4-5 players in the L's PCA when the whistle blew.

We're looking at different plays! I only count 2 players in the L's primary at the whistle and they are not even engaged. There are 3 or 4 players weaving through the very top of the L's primary, but they all move through until just 2 are left when the whistle blows.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'm not so sure the illegal screen that was called was necessarily the everyone seems to think it is. There was another screen that occurred just outside the lane on the lead's side where the defender was trying to get out to the shot. The camera angle wasn't the best to see how much contact did occur there but is it possible that was the one called? (That is the one he should have been looking at).

I see it now, Camron, but there's no way that's what he called. He never once looked at that kid. In fact, he walks right past that kid, staring at the kid on the opposite side of the lane to report.

And even if that was the screen he called, it wasn't a much better call than the one on the other side of the lane.

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'm not so sure the illegal screen that was called was necessarily the everyone seems to think it is. There was another screen that occurred just outside the lane on the lead's side where the defender was trying to get out to the shot. The camera angle wasn't the best to see how much contact did occur there but is it possible that was the one called? (That is the one he should have been looking at).

The play you are referring to is nothing. The screen did not even impede the defender.

The play in question is the C's play although he still had a count as the player started to pass to the shooter. Looking at his head position, there is no way he saw the screen taking place only a few feet away clearly.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

An illegal screen, but not a big one - and no advantage gained.

Then it's not illegal; it's incidental contact.

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Then it's not illegal; it's incidental contact.

do you have a problem with marginal contact vs incidental?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I should not have to look at the video several times to decide which players were fouled or if there was any contact at all.

There it is.

I wonder whether the lead official was saying "knock off the elbowing" that call. Yes, there was an elbow on Red 54. Did it create a significant advantage? I don't think so. Just the same, should we consider whether that contact is worthy of Red losing the ball?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bainsey

There it is.

I wonder whether the lead official was saying "knock off the elbowing" that call. Yes, there was an elbow on Red 54. Did it create a significant advantage? I don't think so. Just the same, should we consider whether that contact is worthy of Red losing the ball?

Additionally, we don't know what else happened in that game prior to that point. Maybe they had trouble with on one of those players previously, were watching them closely, and were not going to let anything go.