Illegal Screen or Not

[BLydic]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

1) I think it's a pretty weak call. Technically, the screen is set, but it has nothing to do with the play; there's no advantage at all.

Just curious and learning ... so if the offensive player who is freed up by the screen gets a pass at the low block instead of an outside shot being taken, you wouldn't think advantage gained?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BLydic

if the offensive player who is freed up by the screen gets a pass at the low block instead of an outside shot being taken, you wouldn't think advantage gained?

You answered your own question, didn't you?

[BLydic]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

You answered your own question, didn't you?

I guess, but I was asking you the question since you didn't see any advantage gained. How about if the shot missed and the freed up player had the ball drop in his lap and easily scored, do you feel that an advantage was gained then too? I guess what I'm getting at is do you really wait for an obvious advantage gained on this type of play before you get it?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BLydic

I guess, but I was asking you the question since you didn't see any advantage gained.

The way you worded your question changed the scenario completely by adding an immediate advantage.

Originally Posted by BLydic

I guess what I'm getting at is do you really wait for an obvious advantage gained on this type of play before you get it?

Well, isn't that what we do on all contact before calling a foul?

[BLydic]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The way you worded your question changed the scenario completely by adding an immediate advantage.



Well, isn't that what we do on all contact before calling a foul?

Thanks for helping Snaqs ...

Not sure what you mean by "adding an immediate advantage". I'm in agreement that there really is no immediate advantage gained in this video, primarily because an outside shot was taken and the foul was called stopping play. However, an offensive player did get free from his defender because of the illegal screen and I'm simply asking if that's not enough to put air in the fox40? Otherwise, I'm letting this screen go, the freed up offensive player ends up scoring an easy bucket 14' away from the screen and I'm kicking myself for not getting it when it happened.

BTW, I'm all for a very patient whistle and seeing the whole play. It's just this off ball stuff that I'm wrestling with and wanting to be consistent.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BLydic

It's just this off ball stuff that I'm wrestling with and wanting to be consistent.

If that play made you think "Oh my God!", then it needed a whistle from the Lead. If it just made you think "Hmmm. Better watch that guy", then it didn't need a whistle.

[BLydic]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

If that play made you think "Oh my God!", then it needed a whistle from the Lead. If it just made you think "Hmmm. Better watch that guy", then it didn't need a whistle.

No, it wasn't even close to an "Oh my God" play and I wouldn't have a problem letting the screener know that he was a bit wide on that play at the next opportunity. I was just responding as if we needed to either make or not make the call based on the video. As with all video, we have no idea what the game or this player has been like prior to the call, which all factor into the overall situation.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

If that play made you think "Oh my God!", then it needed a whistle from the Lead. If it just made you think "Hmmm. Better watch that guy", then it didn't need a whistle.

It was explained to me this way long ago:

"oh sh**" = pass
"of f***" = whistle

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BLydic

Thanks for helping Snaqs ...

Not sure what you mean by "adding an immediate advantage". I'm in agreement that there really is no immediate advantage gained in this video, primarily because an outside shot was taken and the foul was called stopping play. However, an offensive player did get free from his defender because of the illegal screen and I'm simply asking if that's not enough to put air in the fox40? Otherwise, I'm letting this screen go, the freed up offensive player ends up scoring an easy bucket 14' away from the screen and I'm kicking myself for not getting it when it happened.

BTW, I'm all for a very patient whistle and seeing the whole play. It's just this off ball stuff that I'm wrestling with and wanting to be consistent.

I meant that you changed the scenario from what was in the video by making the "freed" player receive a pass. That completely changes it, and scrapper never said he wouldn't call that.

If a freed player gets a rebound, I'm not overly worried about that. If he catches a pass immediately after the screen, get the foul. If he catches a pass after the defense has had time to recover, I'm not going to lose any sleep over that one either.

OTOH, if you've been warning a player, getting something like this could just as easily straighten him out.