False Double Foul?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

Or a pc on the shooter, reason why holding the whistle til the play ends makes sense.

I had removed that from the equation based on his description of the play.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Welpe

In this case though the foul is by Team A. Nevermind, the team designations are switched.

I still think an immediate whistle is appropriate here. Treating it like any other foul by Team B does not take away Team A's chance at a basket.

Calling a technical foul on the defense while a shot is in flight or when a scoring opportunity is immenent makes us think a bit more about how to resume play.
Allowing the play to finish & then sticking the defense gives us less to think about.

What if Toren assessed the T on the defender just before the shooter began his habitual shooting motion on a 3? You know they generally release the shot anyway & of course, this time it goes in.
Wouldn't it had hurt the defense more if we allow the 3 to get off, now we can count the basket, stick knucklehead & give the offense 2 FTs plus the ball. Potential 8 point play as opposed to a potential 5 point play, just by being patient.

That's just my opinion. I believe there's a caseplay on witholding the whistle for Ts on the defense as well.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I had removed that from the equation based on his description of the play.

True, just wanted to make sure any newbies that read this will know the 2 violations (as you noted) & the type of foul that would cancel a try in flight.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by tref

What if Toren assessed the T on the defender just before the shooter began his habitual shooting motion on a 3?

That would be a different play from the one we're discussing.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Welpe

That would be a different play from the one we're discussing.

Most definitely, I think you're missing my point though.

If Toren has eyes & ears on knucklehead in a 2 person system, he probably has no idea of when the shooter gathered the ball. If the other official looks at Toren once he blew his whistle, he probably has no idea of the gather. Now the shot goes in & the crew is

Also, what if he assessed the T while an outlet pass was made for a dunk?

I respect your stance, but I'm going to practice holding my whistle on defensive Ts when there is a chance for the offense to score.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by tref

Most definitely, I think you're missing my point though.

No, I understand fully what you're saying, you're just talking about other scenarios that I was not addressing.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Welpe

No, I understand fully what you're saying, you're just talking about other scenarios that I was not addressing.

Actually I'm talking about 10.4.1 Situation E. It clearly spells out when to assess the T for the defense as well as the offense when a scoring opportunity is imminent.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Made that mistake twice. Once killing a fast break in a BV game. The other time in camp when a shot was going up and my P's were no help in providing information in regards to my whistle and the shot. We ended up wiping off a basket that should have counted.

Must've happened when you first got into the craft!

Just like a 3 second call, we better know where the ball is when calling a T on the defense while the ball is live.
I've had a few experiences with calling 3 seconds & the ball is going the other way.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

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Must've happened when you first got into the craft!
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Wish I could take that out

They were both a few years ago, and I've conditioned myself now, but I was experienced enough back then, just let my emotions take over and reacted without thought.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

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I respect your stance, but I'm going to practice holding my whistle on defensive Ts when there is a chance for the offense to score.

Made that mistake twice. Once killing a fast break in a BV game. The other time in camp when a shot was going up and my P's were no help in providing information in regards to my whistle and the shot. We ended up wiping off a basket that should have counted.