FALSE DOUBLE FOUL

[brianp134]

How many of you have called a false double foul? If so what was the scenario?

[ChuckElias]

Plenty of times. A1 is fouled in the act of shooting. A1 continues the shooting motion and scores. A1 then turns and taunts B1. Easy false double.

B1 fouls A1 hard, causing A1 to fall to the floor. A1 gets up and retailiates by pushing B1. False double.

Lots of ways for it to happen.

[rainmaker]

The trick is not to call it a false double foul. And penalize the fouls in the order they occurred in.

[Mark Padgett]

My wife called it a couple of times on our honeymoon. In fact, they were false double flagrant fouls.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by brianp134
How many of you have called a false double foul? If so what was the scenario?

You don't call A false double foul.

You call a foul.

If another foul occurs prior to the clock starting, then you have a false double foul.

But you don't call it the way you would a double foul.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
My wife called it a couple of times on our honeymoon. In fact, they were false double flagrant fouls.

Yeah, I imagine your wife was unpleasantly surprised by a number of things that turned out to be false on your honeymoon...

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Yeah, I imagine your wife was unpleasantly surprised by a number of things that turned out to be false on your honeymoon...

And foul. . .

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

And foul. . .

And fowl!

Robert DeNiro in Penguin Lust.

[Jurassic Referee]

Yer sick!

Your membership card is in the mail.

Btw,"penguin lust" actually was a series of strips during the run of the old Bloom County comic days.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Sep 10th, 2003 at 10:31 AM]

[Damian]

Player A1 is dribbling down the court. B1 tries to reach over and swat the ball. He misses and fouls. A1 pushes B1 down just after the initial contact as I am blowing the whistle. Nother flagrant or really intentional. Just a push to seperate them a bit. I was already blowing the whistle on the first contact. B1 goes to the ground as a result of the push and appeared hurt, so I had to call a false double.

This is when B1's dad came on the court and demanded that we "do something". I did. B1's dad was removed from the court. There was under 1 minute left in the game and A team had a good lead, so I just had the security officer escort off of the playing area.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Damian
Player A1 is dribbling down the court. B1 tries to reach over and swat the ball. He misses and fouls. A1 pushes B1 down just after the initial contact as I am blowing the whistle. Nother flagrant or really intentional. Just a push to seperate them a bit. I was already blowing the whistle on the first contact. B1 goes to the ground as a result of the push and appeared hurt, so I had to call a false double.

If it wasn't flagrant or intentional, it shouldn't have been called.

You either have a double foul or nothing.

[mick]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

If it wasn't flagrant or intentional, it shouldn't have been called.

You either have a double foul or nothing.

Tony,
Double foul works for me, too.

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If we gotta think it coulda been flagrant, then it was not flagrant. A flagrant foul has got to be the easiest call in the game.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by Damian
Player A1 is dribbling down the court. B1 tries to reach over and swat the ball. He misses and fouls. A1 pushes B1 down just after the initial contact as I am blowing the whistle. Nother flagrant or really intentional. Just a push to seperate them a bit. I was already blowing the whistle on the first contact. B1 goes to the ground as a result of the push and appeared hurt, so I had to call a false double.

This is when B1's dad came on the court and demanded that we "do something". I did. B1's dad was removed from the court. There was under 1 minute left in the game and A team had a good lead, so I just had the security officer escort off of the playing area.

Well, sadly you botched the call. Contact after the ball is dead is ignored if it isn't intentional or flagrant. So you should have only called the first foul. However, if you feel the push warrants a foul, the proper way to go is with an intentional technical foul. In that case you would have a false double foul.
Or you could make it simple and do what Tony suggested, call a double personal foul since the opponents committed fouls at approximately the same time.

Thumbs up on tossing the dad out, though!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

Well, sadly you botched the call.However, if you feel the push warrants a foul, the proper way to go is with an intentional technical foul. In that case you would have a false double foul.

How did he "botch" the call? Damian did call a false double foul because he felt that the push warranted a call,and you say it should be a false double foul if he did feel that way. You're both agreeing with him,and also telling him that he blew the call.That don't work.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Sep 12th, 2003 at 03:04 AM]

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

How did he "botch" the call? Damian did call a false double foul because he felt that the push warranted a call,and you say it should be a false double foul if he did feel that way. You're both agreeing with him,and also telling him that he blew the call.That don't work.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Sep 12th, 2003 at 03:04 AM]

If the second foul happened after the first it can not be a personal foul...as it appears was called. A1 was not in the act of shooting or an airborne shooter so the ball was dead the moment of B1's (the first) foul.

A1's foul, if it was not at aproximately the same time, can only be a technical foul for contact during a dead ball...and only if it is deemed intentional or flagrant. If it were at about the same time, it should have been double personal foul.