ND vs Temple

[Duffman]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Like Camron, I'd love to see a rule reference to know what violation these players are committing in your "hand fighting" scenario.

You cannot possibly be comparing the player running from the arc to the block to the big guy with a toe on the FT line.

I'm not comparing them, Im responding to the thought that advantage/disadvantage was not a factor for violations.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Duffman

I'm not comparing them, Im responding to the thought that advantage/disadvantage was not a factor for violations.

That may be, but one of the things you mention is not even a violation, ever.....and brings into question your knowledge of the rules which makes it hard to discuss philosophy of how they should be called.

And A/D is not a factor for violations...it is understanding the purpose of the rule and knowing when to apply it.

[Duffman]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That may be, but one of the things you mention is not even a violation, ever.....and brings into question your knowledge of the rules which makes it hard to discuss philosophy of how they should be called.

And A/D is not a factor for violations...it is understanding the purpose of the rule and knowing when to apply it.

But not too hard to argue with evidently... It's called a you can't do that violation and is prevalent in youth and hs girls games. It's preceded by the both of you knock it off mechanic.

Remind me of my lack of rules knowledge as I blow through HS ball and start working d3 college stuff and beyond...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Duffman

But not too hard to argue with evidently... It's called a you can't do that violation and is prevalent in youth and hs girls games. It's preceded by both of you knock it off mechanic.

Remind me of my lack of rules as I blow through HS ball and start working d3 college stuff and beyond...

Why can't you do that? Show me a rule that says anything close to it being a violation. You might tell them to knock it off, but still, it is not a violation and never has been.

You just might blow throw HS ball but it will evidently not be due to your command of the rules. Someday, you'll get run into someone that knows better when you try to make something up and you'll try to puff your chest to to cover if it up and they'll call you on it.

[Duffman]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Why can't you do that? Show me a rule that says anything close to it being a violation. You might tell them to knock it off, but still, it is not a violation and never has been.

You just might blow throw HS ball but it will evidently not be due to your command of the rules. Someday, you'll get run into someone that knows better when you try to make something up and you'll try to puff your chest to to cover if it up and they'll call you on it.

You know why they don't do it at higher levels? Because a) they knocked it off when told to, or b) didn't and got called for it once in jr high. Regardless I'm not worried, I'm not arrogant, and I rarely work without two partners who are always helpful.on rules knowledge.

[BigTex]

Disclaimer: I'm a baseball guy.

Can somebody please clarify the rule for me. Is it the player behind the arc cannot cross the arc before the ball hits the rim, or is it that the player behind the arc cannot cross the free throw line before the ball hits the rim?

If it is the arc then it is a very clear violation. If it is the free throw line, then it is pretty close. He appears to have one foot down, just over the free throw line when the ball hits the rim, not "near the block" as somebody mentioned earlier.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BigTex

Disclaimer: I'm a baseball guy.

Can somebody please clarify the rule for me. Is it the player behind the arc cannot cross the arc before the ball hits the rim, or is it that the player behind the arc cannot cross the free throw line before the ball hits the rim?

If it is the arc then it is a very clear violation. If it is the free throw line, then it is pretty close. He appears to have one foot down, just over the free throw line when the ball hits the rim, not "near the block" as somebody mentioned earlier.

He may not enter until the ball hits the rim, flange, or backboard.

NCAA Rule Book (2011-2012)
Rule 9, Section 1
Art. 2. After the ball is placed at the disposal of a free-thrower:

g. Players not in a legal marked lane space shall remain behind the free throw line extended and behind the three-point field-goal line until the ball strikes the ring, flange or backboard, or until the free throw ends.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BigTex

Disclaimer: I'm a baseball guy.

Can somebody please clarify the rule for me. Is it the player behind the arc cannot cross the arc before the ball hits the rim, or is it that the player behind the arc cannot cross the free throw line before the ball hits the rim?

If it is the arc then it is a very clear violation. If it is the free throw line, then it is pretty close. He appears to have one foot down, just over the free throw line when the ball hits the rim, not "near the block" as somebody mentioned earlier.

It is an easy call, and not at all close for a non-newbie official.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Duffman

You know why they don't do it at higher levels? Because a) they knocked it off when told to, or b) didn't and got called for it once in jr high. Regardless I'm not worried, I'm not arrogant, and I rarely work without two partners who are always helpful.on rules knowledge.

They dont do it at higher levels because its stupid and hurts the player doing it.

For the second part...I work with a few guys that on occasion that depend on me knowing the rules and I want to slap them silly for it. I HATE having to conduct rules clinics at halftime/end of game with my partners because they dont study enough.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Duffman

You know why they don't do it at higher levels? Because a) they knocked it off when told to, or b) didn't and got called for it once in jr high.

The point remains....what justification do you have for telling them to not do that? What rule are they violating or close to violating?

Originally Posted by Duffman

Regardless I'm not worried, I'm not arrogant, and I rarely work without two partners who are always helpful.on rules knowledge.

Huh???

[Duffman]

They are violating the I told you to stop that rule.

GG

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Duffman

You know why they don't do it at higher levels? Because a) they knocked it off when told to, or b) didn't and got called for it once in jr high. Regardless I'm not worried, I'm not arrogant, and I rarely work without two partners who are always helpful.on rules knowledge.

That bolded statement is directly contradicted by the previous post I quoted above this one. And don't try to sell me a load of crap that you are "different" in real life.

In college ball how long do you think your partners are going tolerate your lack of rules knowledge? On the contrary, the "rookies" are expected to be the rules expert on the crew.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Duffman

You know why they don't do it at higher levels? Because a) they knocked it off when told to, or b) didn't and got called for it once in jr high. Regardless I'm not worried, I'm not arrogant, and I rarely work without two partners who are always helpful.on rules knowledge.

No, they don't do it because it's pointless. And while I might tell them to stop, there's no violation to call. Usually, a quick "knock it off" works. If that doesn't, and you think the contact rises to the level of a foul, you could call a double foul. You can also stand there and stare at them til the stop. You might be able to get away with making some sort of "you can't do that" call in a Jr. High game, but if you tried doing that in a high school game around here you'd be stuck working freshman girls until you figured out it's a good idea to know the rules.

In your area, with two partners who can help you with the rules, you can probably do pretty well. But that's nothing to brag about, to be honest. It's a sad indictment of the state of officiating in your area.

In most places, you have to be able to hold your own with the rules, or you won't be working varsity games.

[Duffman]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No, they don't do it because it's pointless. And while I might tell them to stop, there's no violation to call. Usually, a quick "knock it off" works. If that doesn't, and you think the contact rises to the level of a foul, you could call a double foul. You can also stand there and stare at them til the stop. You might be able to get away with making some sort of "you can't do that" call in a Jr. High game, but if you tried doing that in a high school game around here you'd be stuck working freshman girls until you figured out it's a good idea to know the rules.

In your area, with two partners who can help you with the rules, you can probably do pretty well. But that's nothing to brag about, to be honest. It's a sad indictment of the state of officiating in your area.

In most places, you have to be able to hold your own with the rules, or you won't be working varsity games.

Lol why would I try and call that in a HS game? That's just stupid.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Duffman

You know why they don't do it at higher levels? Because a) they knocked it off when told to, or b) didn't and got called for it once in jr high. Regardless I'm not worried, I'm not arrogant, and I rarely work without two partners who are always helpful.on rules knowledge.

And why are you the weak link when it comes to rules knowlege. If you want to make it to Div. I or the NBA/WNBA you had better know the rules and casebook play and not hope your partners know the rules.

MTD, Sr.