ND vs Temple

[just another ref]

The problem is inconsistency. Somebody was complaining in another thread yesterday, I think, about this exact violation not being called. If that is the case with this call, (it's simply not called at this level) like the Austin Rivers traveling videos we recently watched, and now it is called in an extreme situation such as this, I'm with Barkley, that sucks.

Has anyone by any chance reviewed more of the video of this game? Did this guy step in on other free throws without a call?

[Duffman]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The problem is inconsistency. Somebody was complaining in another thread yesterday, I think, about this exact violation not being called. If that is the case with this call, (it's simply not called at this level) like the Austin Rivers traveling videos we recently watched, and now it is called in an extreme situation such as this, I'm with Barkley, that sucks.

Has anyone by any chance reviewed more of the video of this game? Did this guy step in on other free throws without a call?

A fair point.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The problem is inconsistency. Somebody was complaining in another thread yesterday, I think, about this exact violation not being called. If that is the case with this call, (it's simply not called at this level) like the Austin Rivers traveling videos we recently watched, and now it is called in an extreme situation such as this, I'm with Barkley, that sucks.

Has anyone by any chance reviewed more of the video of this game? Did this guy step in on other free throws without a call?

I believe both violations (yesterday and tonight) were the result of players coming in from outside the 3-point arc, not simply toe-touching within the lane. In the Syracuse game yesterday, the announcers initially focused on players in the lane from a bird's-eye view and how "close" it was, but it wasn't until after the game we saw the actual violation was the player coming in from outside the arc and almost to the block by the time the ball hit the rim. I believe it was the same essential call tonight.

What sucks is the player let his "NBA instincts" take over at that point in the game and he forgot the rule. What also sucks is letting NBA announcers use their NBA training to bash the NCAA officials without really knowing what they're talking about.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The problem is inconsistency. Somebody was complaining in another thread yesterday, I think, about this exact violation not being called. If that is the case with this call, (it's simply not called at this level) like the Austin Rivers traveling videos we recently watched, and now it is called in an extreme situation such as this, I'm with Barkley, that sucks.

Has anyone by any chance reviewed more of the video of this game? Did this guy step in on other free throws without a call?

Someone DOES read my posts

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The problem is inconsistency. Somebody was complaining in another thread yesterday, I think, about this exact violation not being called. If that is the case with this call, (it's simply not called at this level) like the Austin Rivers traveling videos we recently watched, and now it is called in an extreme situation such as this, I'm with Barkley, that sucks.

Has anyone by any chance reviewed more of the video of this game? Did this guy step in on other free throws without a call?

If someone can show me video of other plays where this player entered from the arc, that early, without a call. Then I'll buy the consistency argument. Otherwise, it's just as much of a load of crap as when I hear it from MS coaches.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If someone can show me video of other plays where this player entered from the arc, that early, without a call. Then I'll buy the consistency argument. Otherwise, it's just as much of a load of crap as when I hear it from MS coaches.

CBSSports channel will replay a bunch of the games. I saw the UNCA game and darn if the same player didn't break the arc AGAIN on the 2nd free throw.
I'm not saying the call was wrong. Even if you are using the advantage/disadvantage the player DID get the rebound. These plays will probably be on a Preventative Officiating portion of next years NCAA video

[Altor]

Originally Posted by Judtech

These plays will probably be on a Preventative Officiating portion of next years NCAA video

And how would they suggest the officials prevent it? Should officials remind those not on the lane that they can't enter until the ball hits? Do they need to remind them before every FT? Or just in the last minute? Or only in the tournament?

No. This one's on the players for not knowing the rules and on the coaches for not teaching them the rules.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Altor

And how would they suggest the officials prevent it? Should officials remind those not on the lane that they can't enter until the ball hits? Do they need to remind them before every FT? Or just in the last minute? Or only in the tournament?

No. This one's on the players for not knowing the rules and on the coaches for not teaching them the rules.

The first time you see it, address it. Don't let a player continue to violate and wait till there is an 'advantage' gained before you blow the whistle. Either remind them early on when you see it, I.e. warn them, or blow your whistle for the violation the first time.
IMO, the officials were letting it go because there had not been an advantage gained, and it came back to bite them in the butt.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

The first time you see it, address it. Don't let a player continue to violate and wait till there is an 'advantage' gained before you blow the whistle. Either remind them early on when you see it, I.e. warn them, or blow your whistle for the violation the first time.
IMO, the officials were letting it go because there had not been an advantage gained, and it came back to bite them in the butt.

Were they coming in from the arc all game?

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Were they coming in from the arc all game?

They were quite a few times. Like I said on the second FT after the called violation they did it again. I think it was even the same player, but not certain.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If someone can show me video of other plays where this player entered from the arc, that early, without a call. Then I'll buy the consistency argument. Otherwise, it's just as much of a load of crap as when I hear it from MS coaches.

The only reason I brought this up is because it had just been mentioned the day before. I have never noticed this violation in an NCAA game, called or not.
I was asking the question, is this one that is not called?

Around here, at the high school level, entering early is almost never called. I've kinda adopted the "when in Rome" attitude and backed off the call myself.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The problem is inconsistency. Somebody was complaining in another thread yesterday, I think, about this exact violation not being called. If that is the case with this call, (it's simply not called at this level) like the Austin Rivers traveling videos we recently watched, and now it is called in an extreme situation such as this, I'm with Barkley, that sucks.

Has anyone by any chance reviewed more of the video of this game? Did this guy step in on other free throws without a call?

A few other things to remember:

1. The calls were obvious.
2. If you want to argue the whole advantage/disadvantage aspect, the kid who violated in the UNCA/Syracuse game also happened to be the one who ended up rebounding the missed free throw. If that's not an advantage then I don't know what is.

I feel the same way Snagwells does on this one: find a play where a kid was 3-4 steps inside the 3-point arc before the ball hit the rim/backboard and it wasn't called and I'll say you have a good point. But on back-to-back days we saw the same situation and it was called the same way.