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Old Fri Mar 16, 2012, 11:27pm
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ND vs Temple

Great calls at end of game. Free throw violation on the front end of one and one. Then the intentional foul on throw-in.
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Old Fri Mar 16, 2012, 11:28pm
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That official was on fire at the end of the game. He nailed them all!



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Old Fri Mar 16, 2012, 11:30pm
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As a player I HATE the ft violation call.
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Old Fri Mar 16, 2012, 11:31pm
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Saw on Twitter Barkley was going off? Anyone catch it?
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Old Fri Mar 16, 2012, 11:36pm
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I just kicked the 'round mound of rebound' off the pedestal on which I had him esconced for many years. He puts the typical rec league coach to shame with his ridiculous tirade on national CBS broadcast.
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Old Fri Mar 16, 2012, 11:48pm
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As a player I HATE the ft violation call.

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And what other violations do you not like: illegal dribble, traveling, basket interference, goaltending, to name a few?

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Old Fri Mar 16, 2012, 11:51pm
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He also "nailed it" on the FG attempt that broke the backboard plane!
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Old Fri Mar 16, 2012, 11:51pm
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Duffman:

And what other violations do you not like: illegal dribble, traveling, basket interference, goaltending, to name a few?

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I hate violations that are called tha have little if any advantage/disadvantage.

That said I'm in a bar amd the telecast focused on the players in marked spaces opposite of camera. I've since seen a replay and agree with the call on the player outside the arc entering early.
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Old Fri Mar 16, 2012, 11:53pm
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And what other violations do you not like: illegal dribble, traveling, basket interference, goaltending, to name a few?

I'll answer that.

I don't like FT violations on MADE free throws. With the exception of the shooter, I don't think either team should be penalized. No advantage is gained when the ball goes in the basket. Why penalize the offense on a made FT, just because someone steps in?

It's a bad rule.
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Old Fri Mar 16, 2012, 11:54pm
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I hate violations that are called tha have little if any advantage/disadvantage.

That said I'm in a bar amd the telecast focused on the players in marked spaces opposite of camera. I've since seen a replay and agree with the call on the player outside the arc entering early.

Duffman:

If you do your due diligence in learning the history of the rules of basketball and the Oswald Tower Philosophy, you will learn the advantage-disadvantage applies to fouls but not to violations.

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Old Fri Mar 16, 2012, 11:56pm
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What page in the rule book is the Tower Philosophy explained?????
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Old Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:14am
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Duffman:

If you do your due diligence in learning the history of the rules of basketball and the Oswald Tower Philosophy, you will learn the advantage-disadvantage applies to fouls but not to violations.

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Odd, as ive seen many quality officials talk players out of three second violations, and minor hand fighting Free throw violations, and players running intentionally oob violations in which no advantage was gained.
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Old Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:19am
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I'll answer that.

I don't like FT violations on MADE free throws. With the exception of the shooter, I don't think either team should be penalized. No advantage is gained when the ball goes in the basket. Why penalize the offense on a made FT, just because someone steps in?

It's a bad rule.
I kinda understand where you are coming from here especially in situations in which the violation doesn't disconcert the shooter, but at the same time, if it's a violation if team B does it when team A misses a FT, but it's NOT a violation on team A when team A does it and team A makes a FT, then you are essentially penalizing team B.
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Odd, as ive seen many quality officials talk players out of three second violations, and minor hand fighting Free throw violations, and players running intentionally oob violations in which no advantage was gained.
You realized that the "minor hand fighting Free throw violations" are not violations don't you? You can call a foul or not, but there is no violation to be called.

And talking a player out of committing a violation is different than ignore a violation that has already occurred.
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Old Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:21am
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Cameron, I'm referring to the hand fighting going on between two players in marked spaces while the shooter holds the ball.

And I'd accept what you are saying in the event you can tell me honestly that you've never passed on a 3 second violation when a player has a toe in the lane opposite of where the ball is and isn't using his/her position in the lane to gain an advantage, but I doubt you'd be able to do that.
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