Alternating Possession Debate

[Refsmitty]

He thought the throw in ended when touched by the defender - even if touched illegally.

[Raymond]

Smitty, I know you've been around here long enough to KNOW the answer to this one.

And it's not "what say you", it's "what does the rule book say".

[Refsmitty]

You are correct BNR - but when a vet argues with you it sometimes creates some self doubt.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

You are correct BNR - but when a vet argues with you it sometimes creates some self doubt.

When a vet argues with me it usually reassures me that I'm right.

[bowlingref]

I worked a jv boys game a couple years ago and stayed to watch a really varsity game worked by three veteran guys. Fourth quarter, illegal screen and the vets let the offenedd team shoot one and one. I tried to tell one of the vets from the end line that they were wrong, so did the furious coach. To no avail,both the coach and I lost. When I got home I sent all three a copy of the rule in a nice way and I got apologies from all three.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

You are correct BNR - but when a vet argues with you it sometimes creates some self doubt.

As I posted earlier today. Veteran official != official that knows the rules.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

As I posted earlier today. Veteran official != official that knows the rules.

Maybe, but when they sound sure of themselves (which they usually do), they can sound convincing enough to create doubt.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe, but when they sound sure of themselves (which they usually do), they can sound convincing enough to create doubt.

I hear you. I guess I'm arrogant enough to not care about years of experience when I know the official is full of it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe, but when they sound sure of themselves (which they usually do), they can sound convincing enough to create doubt.

That's never been enough to create doubt for me, even during my formative years in officiating. Only thing that would create doubt is a rule or case book citation, which in my dealings with "vets" at the HS level, always seems to be oddly missing from the conversations.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

He thought the throw in ended when touched by the defender - even if touched illegally.

Sounds like he's answered his own question. The throw in ends when the ball is LEGALLY touched inbounds. The ball was not legally touched inbounds. Team B violated by kicking it. A gets a new throw in and keeps the arrow.

[Adam]

Isn't there a case play on this?

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Isn't there a case play on this?

Yes. I don't have my books with me, but I have seen it before.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

He thought the throw in ended when touched by the defender - even if touched illegally.

I'm not sure what to tell him then if he doesn't know when a throw-in ends.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I'm not sure what to tell him then if he doesn't know when a throw-in ends.

Pull out the rule book and show it to him.