Alternating Possession

[nukewhistle]

During a throw in after a jump ball alternating possession for team A (Ball is in the hands of team A) a violation or foul is called on team A prior to the throw in by team A. Does the possession arrow still stay with team A?

If team B commits the foul or violation prior to the throw in by team A does the possession arrow change?

[zebraman]

Originally posted by nukewhistle
During a throw in after a jump ball alternating possession for team A (Ball is in the hands of team A) a violation or foul is called on team A prior to the throw in by team A. Does the possession arrow still stay with team A?

If team B commits the foul or violation prior to the throw in by team A does the possession arrow change?

The arrow does not change until the throw-in ends so it does not change in either of your scenarios. The throw-in ends when it touches an inbounds player other than the thrower.

Z

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by zebraman

The arrow does not change until the throw-in ends so it does not change in either of your scenarios. The throw-in ends when it touches an inbounds player other than the thrower.

Z

It DOES switch on a violation on the throwing team 6-3-4.

[zebraman]

Originally posted by blindzebra

It DOES switch on a violation on the throwing team 6-3-4.

Yup.

Z

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by blindzebra

It DOES switch on a violation on the throwing team 6-3-4.

It does switch on a throw-in violation on the throwing team.

[nukewhistle]

6-3-4? Is that Rule#6,section#3,Art.4 in the 2004-05 NFHS Basketball Rules??

[ref18]

yup,

- indicates rulebook
. indicates casebook

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

It does switch on a throw-in violation on the throwing team.

Isn't that what I said?

Of course the rule reference is now 6-4-4, I had the 2001 RB by my computer and the FED has switched jump ball and AP.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by blindzebra
It does switch on a throw-in violation on the throwing team.

Isn't that what I said? [/B][/QUOTE]
Nope.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

It does switch on a throw-in violation on the throwing team.

Unless my online copy has an error, it switched on ANY violation by the throwin team...not just a throwin violation.

6-3-4 . . . The direction of the possession arrow is reversed immediately after an alternating-possession throw-in ends. An alternating-possession throw-in ends when the throw-in ends or when the throw-in team violates.

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Isn't that what I said?

Nope. [/B][/QUOTE]

Chuck here it is word for word from the rule book.

The AP throw in ends, when the throw in ends or when the throw in team violates.

That sure sounds like a violation on the throwing team, it does not say on a THROW IN violation on the throwing team.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally posted by blindzebra

Nope.

Chuck here it is word for word from the rule book.

The AP throw in ends, when the throw in ends or when the throw in team violates.

That sure sounds like a violation on the throwing team, it does not say on a THROW IN violation on the throwing team. [/B][/QUOTE]I'm trying to imagine how else the throw-in team could violate. Throw the ball into the basket. Anything else? Kick the ball? Basket interference on a throw-in? Other than a throw-in violation I'm not coming up with anything that isn't out there a bit.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
I'm trying to imagine how else the throw-in team could violate. Throw the ball into the basket. Anything else? Kick the ball? Basket interference on a throw-in? Other than a throw-in violation I'm not coming up with anything that isn't out there a bit.

Kick
Fist
Swing elbows
Basket interference
OOB (by being first touched by a teammate who is OOB...this is NOT a throwin violation)

Note that if a violation occurs on the first touch, the violation is considered to happen before the throwin ends.

Also, the throwin ends only when the ball is touched inbounds, not OOB.

So, if B1 is the first to touch the ball but is OOB at the time or kicks the ball, A will get the ball back due to the violation and will not loose the arrow.

If A2 is the first to touch the ball but is OOB at the time or kicks the ball, B will get ball due to the violation and A looses the arrow.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Camron Rust
Unless my online copy has an error, it switched on ANY violation by the throwin team...not just a throwin violation.

6-3-4 . . . The direction of the possession arrow is reversed immediately after an alternating-possession throw-in ends. An alternating-possession throw-in ends when the throw-in ends or when the throw-in team violates.

Hmmmm, seems my smugness was misplaced. Gotta go look something up. . .

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

OOB (by being first touched by a teammate who is OOB...this is NOT a throwin violation)


Also, the throwin ends only when the ball is touched inbounds, not OOB.

Camron,
My answers are for NFHS play.
Your first statement is certainly covered by the throw-in provisions and appears to be a THROW-IN violation:
9-2-10
Violations and Penalties
Throw-in provisions
"A player shall not violate the following provisions governing the throw-in."
"No player shall be out of bounds when he/she touches or is touched by the ball after it has been released on a throw-in pass."

Your second statement is accurate only for non-AP throw-ins, but since AP throw-ins also end when the throwing team violates, A2 touching the ball while OOB would end that throw-in.