Fan comment

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Welpe

My favorite fan comments are when I'm called a racist for daring to call a foul against a player that is of a different race from myself. I find it especially amusing when none of the 10 players are of the same race as I am.

My other favorite was hearing "Two wrongs don't make a right!" after I T'd up a coach who didn't like a disconcertion call I made on one of his players.

I have a fan removed if I need to but otherwise, they just amuse me.

Automatic ejection around here.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Why? Somebody in the stands called you a name. So what! The fans, except in the situations I have already noted, are not our concern. When you address their behavior you reward them; they know that you are paying attention to them instead of doing your job on the court. That is what these types of idiots want from you. Ignore them! You sound like officials who only officiate soccer.

MTD, Sr.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Why? Somebody in the stands called you a name. So what!

For the same reason that I would have a fan removed that uses vulgar or obscene language.

The fans, except in the situations I have already noted, are not our concern.

They are when their actions have the ability to poision the game.

When you address their behavior you reward them

I didn't realize that in Ohio an ejection was considered an award. Is a traffic ticket there considered a prize?

they know that you are paying attention to them instead of doing your job on the court.

If a fan's behavior rises to the point where it grabs my attention, having them removed ensures I can get back to doing my job. I'm sorry you don't think so. What I do know is that in the rare occasions I've had to have a fan removed, the atmosphere and tone of the game have noticeably improved. I'll keep doing what I'm doing.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Welpe

For the same reason that I would have a fan removed that uses vulgar or obscene language.



They are when their actions have the ability to poision the game.



I didn't realize that in Ohio an ejection was considered an award. Is a traffic ticket there considered a prize?



If a fan's behavior rises to the point where it grabs my attention, having them removed ensures I can get back to doing my job. I'm sorry you don't think so. What I do know is that in the rare occasions I've had to have a fan removed, the atmosphere and tone of the game have noticeably improved. I'll keep doing what I'm doing.

Welpe:

You are missing my point. By reward, I mean the "fans" now knows that you are listening to him and not doing your job on the court. Let them scream their lungs out. Is their behavior a disgrace? Yes. Do we care? No.

I have had game management involved only three times with regard to spectator conduct in 41 years of basketball officiating. And I have also umpired HJ.S. and youth baseball and fastpitch softball since 1993 and H.S. soccer from 1993 to 2006.

1) Almost 40 years ago I had a sheriff deputy remove a very large male spectator who stepped onto the court and pushed me from behind just after a throw-in had been completed in boys' H.S. jr. varsity game.

2) Almost 25 years ago I had an A.D. remove a group of boys who goosed a female player with an Alf stuffed doll while she was attempting to make a throw-in.

3) About 15 years ago I had game managment remove two spectators from a AAU Boys' National Championship tournament game because they ran onto the court to protest a Held Ball call my partner had made on a blocked shot.

Does this mean I don't know what is going on in the stands or fans never get upset with my officiating? Absolutely not. I haven't done my job as an official if I haven't pi$$ed off at least half of the fans, . The point is don't be an official who only officiates soccer, especially ones from Ohio; they think that their job is to control not only the players but the spectators.

If you think that spectator conduct is affecting the way the players are acting, let the coach know and he will deal with his players.

MTD, Sr.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

If you think that spectator conduct is affecting the way the players are acting, let the coach know and he will deal with his players.

MTD, Sr.

Thank you for your feedback.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

You are missing my point. By reward, I mean the "fans" now knows that you are listening to him and not doing your job on the court.

Most officials would be able to hear what someone is saying while still officiating.

In summary...your "fans are rewarded when I kick them out" stance still makes no sense.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Cobra

Most officials would be able to hear what someone is saying while still officiating.

In summary...your "fans are rewarded when I kick them out" stance still makes no sense.

Cobra:

Read my Post (#30) above. Unless it the Spectator's actions involve one of the three items (see my Post #24) then ignore them. When you stop the game for any thing other than the items I have outlined in Post #24, you are rewarding them by the fact they now know you are more concerned about them than doing your job on the court. When you "eject" a fan for anything other than the items I have outlined they get the satisfaction of saying: "A hey look at me, the ref is so lousy that he had to throw me out of the game."

An official is in a lose-lose situation when he thinks that I will show than fan how much authority I have.

MTD, Sr.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Cobra:

Read my Post (#30) above. Unless it the Spectator's actions involve one of the three items (see my Post #24) then ignore them. When you stop the game for any thing other than the items I have outlined in Post #24, you are rewarding them by the fact they now know you are more concerned about them than doing your job on the court. When you "eject" a fan for anything other than the items I have outlined they get the satisfaction of saying: "A hey look at me, the ref is so lousy that he had to throw me out of the game."

An official is in a lose-lose situation when he thinks that I will show than fan how much authority I have.

MTD, Sr.

Once again, where do you get this thing that the official is more concerned with the fan than the game? You seem to have some very different and weird thoughts on this issue than the vast majority of all officials yet you assume everyone thinks like you.

You are entirely way way too concerned about what some nut in the stands who is swearing at you, calling you a racist whatever is going to think if you kick him out. I would guess that no one else on this forum cares about that at all. They are not at all concerned with this idiot. You are the one who is trying to play some crazy mind game with the idiot. You are the one who is too concerned with making sure that this guy doesn't get a reward; remember that this reward is just something that you made up in your head to go along with the mind game that you are playing with him and that you think he is playing with you. You have no idea if this guy even thinks getting kicked out is a reward, you just made that part up in your head. Basically you've demonstrated that you are entirely too concerned with this guy. Other officials would just have the guy taken out, you have this whole big thing that you have to go through in your head to make sure that this guy doesn't win some game you made up.

You really think that the reason that officials kick someone out is because they want to show the guy how much authority they have? You seem to be very out of touch with the entire issue.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Why? Somebody in the stands called you a name. So what! The fans, except in the situations I have already noted, are not our concern. When you address their behavior you reward them; they know that you are paying attention to them instead of doing your job on the court. That is what these types of idiots want from you. Ignore them! You sound like officials who only officiate soccer.

MTD, Sr.

My province has zero tolerance for breaking their Fair Play Policy.

Accusatory statements such as the example given are exactly the element they want dealt with. And by dealing with it, they want an ejection.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Why? Somebody in the stands called you a name. So what! The fans, except in the situations I have already noted, are not our concern. When you address their behavior you reward them; they know that you are paying attention to them instead of doing your job on the court. That is what these types of idiots want from you. Ignore them! You sound like officials who only officiate soccer.

MTD, Sr.

I just ran a fan a couple weeks ago for verbally taunting a visiting team player. He didn't get physical, he didn't come on the court, but a 50-ish man cursing at and calling a girl from the opposing team "trash" from three feet away got him a swift exit.

First time I've run a fan in years, but I have no qualms about having done it.