Illegal Lane Entry

[Tebo2526]

What is the official ruling on entering the lane during FT attempts. I know you can't after the shooter has been given the ball but what if the shooter sees a teammate heading in and the official doesn't, and quietly steps aside as he is thrown the ball. In other words, the ball just bounds right past him? Sounds strange I know, but I saw it happen. Still called a violation which I assume is right.

[mbyron]

Don't assume.

[Adam]

I'm calling this a violation on the shooter.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Tebo2526

What is the official ruling on entering the lane during FT attempts. I know you can't after the shooter has been given the ball but what if the shooter sees a teammate heading in and the official doesn't, and quietly steps aside as he is thrown the ball. In other words, the ball just bounds right past him? Sounds strange I know, but I saw it happen. Still called a violation which I assume is right.

At what point does the restriction on entering (or leaving) begin? How is that point determined?

That will give you your answer.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Tebo2526

What is the official ruling on entering the lane during FT attempts. I know you can't after the shooter has been given the ball but what if the shooter sees a teammate heading in and the official doesn't, and quietly steps aside as he is thrown the ball. In other words, the ball just bounds right past him? Sounds strange I know, but I saw it happen. Still called a violation which I assume is right.

Did he move completely out of the semi-circle? Just asking cause that isn't a violation, it's a T.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Toren

Did he move completely out of the semi-circle? Just asking cause that isn't a violation, it's a T.

Even if he stays in the circle, I see this as the best example of 10-3-5a that I can think of.

Calling the violation is giving the shooting team a break, IMO.

[Tebo2526]

Originally Posted by Toren

Did he move completely out of the semi-circle? Just asking cause that isn't a violation, it's a T.

No, just took a step to his right and let the pass from the official go right past him.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tebo2526

No, just took a step to his right and let the pass from the official go right past him.

T for preventing the ball from being made live (10-3-5A).

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

T for preventing the ball from being made live (10-3-5A).

This is not correct. The technical foul rule which you cite isn't appropriate for this particular action.

There is a play ruling stating that the official should place the ball on the floor at the FT line if the thrower refuses to accept it. The ball would become live at that point.

There is no violation prior to the ball becoming live.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This is not correct. The technical foul rule which you cite isn't appropriate for this particular action.

There is a play ruling stating that the official should place the ball on the floor at the FT line if the thrower refuses to accept it. The ball would become live at that point.

There is no violation prior to the ball becoming live.

So it's a T if the shooter isn't there (10.3.5), but if he's there and pointedly refuses the ball, you just chase down the bouncing ball, give him a finger wag, and issue your do-over? Meanwhile, team A has benefited by allowing A2 extra time to get into the lane.

Where's the play? (Not that I don't believe you, but well, you know....)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So it's a T if the shooter isn't there (10.3.5), but if he's there and pointedly refuses the ball, you just chase down the bouncing ball, give him a finger wag, and issue your do-over? Meanwhile, team A has benefited by allowing A2 extra time to get into the lane.

Where's the play? (Not that I don't believe you, but well, you know....)

PLACING AT DISPOSAL

8.1.1 SITUATION A:

A1 is awarded two free throws. After the players have had
sufficient opportunity and time to take their positions for the first throw, the
administering official bounces the ball to the free thrower. Did the official follow
proper procedure? RULING: Yes. On free throws, the word “disposal,” is interpreted
to mean that the official shall bounce the ball to the free thrower, but if the

free thrower refuses to accept it, the official may place the ball on the floor at the
free-throw line and begin the count. This procedure constitutes putting the ball at
the free-thrower’s disposal. However, in this situation, the ball becomes live when

it is caught by the free thrower. (4-4-7b)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Where's the play? (Not that I don't believe you, but well, you know.)

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

PLACING AT DISPOSAL

8.1.1 SITUATION A:

A1 is awarded two free throws. After the players have had
sufficient opportunity and time to take their positions for the first throw, the
administering official bounces the ball to the free thrower. Did the official follow
proper procedure? RULING: Yes. On free throws, the word “disposal,” is interpreted
to mean that the official shall bounce the ball to the free thrower, but if the

free thrower refuses to accept it, the official may place the ball on the floor at the
free-throw line and begin the count. This procedure constitutes putting the ball at
the free-thrower’s disposal. However, in this situation, the ball becomes live when

it is caught by the free thrower. (4-4-7b)

Snaqwells: You dare to question the "Forum Citation King". Nevaderef spends all of his free time reading caseplays, incluing caseplays from twenty years ago.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Nevada references the appropriate NFHS Casebook Play, but the key word in the highlighted sections is "may". The word "may" is does not mean the Game official "shall" place the ball at the free throw line.

The CBP says that the Shooter "refuses" to accept the ball from the Administering Official. It is one thing for the Shooter to look at the Official and tell him he doesn't want the ball, but it is a completely different thing for the Shooter to make a deliberate effort to aviod catching the ball after the Official has released the ball on his pass to the Shooter. A few years ago I had a shooter turn around and walk completely out of the Free Throw Circle to talk to a teammate when I was ready to pass the ball to him; that was a TF then and it would be a TF today.

MTD, Sr.

[Damian]

If you are throwing the ball to the shooter while a teammate is coming in to a lane space, you must not be paying attention.

Get the ball back even if the shooter catches it and let him come in.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Damian

If you are throwing the ball to the shooter while a teammate is coming in to a lane space, you must not be paying attention.

Get the ball back even if the shooter catches it and let him come in.

Excuse me but it's usually the players who are not paying attention.

The OP said he was "heading in," not that he had already entered the arc. If I give the players an opportunity, bounce the ball and he then enters, he's getting a violation.