Get a suitcase when you travel

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Know what book states..but how do you recognize it? what should I be looking for?

Practical Steps You Can Take to Improve:

1) Identify the pivot foot once the ball is caught by the offensive player. (this takes some practice....so try doing it in the games you have left OR during ALL games you watch on TV).

2) Count the steps AFTER the offensive player ends his dribble....2 or less is OK...3 or more and you've got a travel. (this takes some practice....so try doing it in the games you have left OR during ALL games you watch on TV).

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

2) Count the steps AFTER the offensive player ends his dribble....2 or less is OK...3 or more and you've got a travel. (this takes some practice....so try doing it in the games you have left OR during ALL games you watch on TV).

I can't agree with this.
Identify pivot foot if the player picks it up before he dribbles- TRAVEL.
If he picks it up and places it down before he shoots or passes- TRAVEL.

I never go by the amount of steps. It leads to wrong calls.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

I can't agree with this.
Identify pivot foot if the player picks it up before he dribbles- TRAVEL.
If he picks it up and places it down before he shoots or passes- TRAVEL.

I never go by the amount of steps. It leads to wrong calls.

not if you count correctly...which is pretty easy to do.

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

not if you count correctly...which is pretty easy to do.

End my dribble with left foot on ground (pivot foot). Right foot steps-1st step. Left foot (pivot) steps-2nd step. Travel?

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

I can't agree with this.
Identify pivot foot if the player picks it up before he dribbles- TRAVEL.
If he picks it up and places it down before he shoots or passes- TRAVEL.

I never go by the amount of steps. It leads to wrong calls.

check out this video:

LeBron James' jump stop/"travel" against the Boston Celtics in Game 2, 2010 Playoffs - YouTube

doesn't matter if this moves occurs in the NBA, NCAA, or High School....it is not a travel and, if you count correctly, you've got TWO steps after the gather....

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

check out this video:

LeBron James' jump stop/"travel" against the Boston Celtics in Game 2, 2010 Playoffs - YouTube

doesn't matter if this moves occurs in the NBA, NCAA, or High School....it is not a travel and, if you count correctly, you've got TWO steps after the gather....

Correct if you gather while in mid air. (Which the video shows he did).

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

Correct if you gather while in mid air. (Which the video shows he did).

The video clearly shows he gathered the ball with his foot already on the floor...he then took one step...then landed on both feet simultaneously (a.k.a. a jump stop)...then left the floor to shoot.

I guess counting steps is harder for u than I thought. Sorry 'bout that.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

The video clearly shows he gathered the ball with his foot already on the floor...he then took one step...then landed on both feet simultaneously (a.k.a. a jump stop)...then left the floor to shoot.

I guess counting steps is harder for u than I thought. Sorry 'bout that.

While it may be fun to you to sound condescending about people's counting skills, your advice to count the number of steps to determine a travel violation has absolutely no support in the rules, and is not good advice for a newer official.

I can give you examples of a player taking 0 steps and be guilty of a travel, and taking 4 (or more) steps after ending a dribble and not be guilty of a travel. If an official uses your advice and simply counts the number of steps, they would be making more incorrect calls than correct.

The best advice is to still read and understand NFHS 4-44, and NCAA 4-72.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I can give you examples of a player taking 0 steps and be guilty of a travel, and taking 4 (or more) steps after ending a dribble and not be guilty of a travel.

Hmmm...
0: rolling over, 4+: fumbling?

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

The video clearly shows he gathered the ball with his foot already on the floor...he then took one step...then landed on both feet simultaneously (a.k.a. a jump stop)...then left the floor to shoot.

I guess counting steps is harder for u than I thought. Sorry 'bout that.

I was just trying to help you, and the OP, out by saying it isn't always simply counting steps. If that is the way you want to do it go ahead. However, there are just too many situations that your idea doesn't work, and I can't allow this idea to teach someone without saying why it isn't as simple as counting. I hope your condescension doesn't get in the way with learning different ways to expand your officiating.

[Duffman]

This was also my biggest problem as an official. Sitting in the stands or lying on the couch I could spot a travel with ease. When you get on the court, and everything happens right in front of you it's actually more difficult to some degree.

The biggest thing for me was to start officiating from the ground up. The first thing I do when someone receives a pass is to ID the pivot foot (feet). Once you have that as others have said officiating the travel becomes less and less a conscious effort, and more of an instant reaction when it happens.

Work from the ground up EVERY time and you will become a much better traveling official.

[jump stop]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

check out this video:

LeBron James' jump stop/"travel" against the Boston Celtics in Game 2, 2010 Playoffs - YouTube

doesn't matter if this moves occurs in the NBA, NCAA, or High School....it is not a travel and, if you count correctly, you've got TWO steps after the gather....

I disagree , he did not gather with left foot on floor(did not take 2 steps).

Gather occurs with right foot on floor (in this case ball slapped together simultaneously with right foot hitting floor), jumps off right foot and lands on 2 simultaneously (only 1 step).
If he would have gathered while left foot on floor then right foot hits (jumps off right foot) and lands on 2 feet then you have travel.

See topic I started on "Reggie Miller calls travel...."

[APG]

Originally Posted by jump stop

If he would have gathered while left foot on floor then right foot hits (jumps off right foot) and lands on 2 feet then you have travel.

See topic I started on "Reggie Miller calls travel...."

Under NBA rules, that would not be a travel. The player just wouldn't be allowed to pivot after the jump stop.

[jump stop]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Under NBA rules, that would not be a travel. The player just wouldn't be allowed to pivot after the jump stop.

Agree, NBA allows 2 steps after "ending dribble" or the gather.

good call