Not a travel--since when?

[mplagrow]

Casebook 4.43.5 Situation B

"A1dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control. A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without violating?"

This terminology tells me that it is NOT a travel to gain control of the ball while sliding on the floor. Yet I have seen refs call travel as soon as they see a kid slide in this scenario (happened again tonight). Did this change at some point so that more experienced (read: older) officials think it's a travel?

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by mplagrow
Casebook 4.43.5 Situation B

"A1dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control. A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without violating?"

This terminology tells me that it is NOT a travel to gain control of the ball while sliding on the floor. Yet I have seen refs call travel as soon as they see a kid slide in this scenario (happened again tonight). Did this change at some point so that more experienced (read: older) officials think it's a travel?

We've had this discussion before and there's not 100% agreement but if a player slides or rolls over due to momentum with the ball it is NOT a travel.

[firedoc]

Agreed! However, if a player is holding the ball and falls to the ground, it is a travel.

[firedoc]

Agreed! However, if a player is holding the ball and falls to the ground, it is a travel.

[w_sohl]

Player intetionally rolls over, VIOLATION.
Physics causes the player to slide or roll over, LEGAL.

[zebra44]

Original post said travel was called for simply sliding after control was established. I see this called erroneously U.P. here also. It's because some refs haven't picked up a rule book since 1972! Then you follow them to that gym for the next game and people think you make up your own rules because they have never seen stuff called properly before.

[zebracz]

Originally posted by zebra44
Original post said travel was called for simply sliding after control was established. I see this called erroneously U.P. here also. It's because some refs haven't picked up a rule book since 1972! Then you follow them to that gym for the next game and people think you make up your own rules because they have never seen stuff called properly before.

Amen, 44, well put. Sad isn't it?

[DJ]

I disagree. Some officials havn't picked up a rule book since the beginning of the year. Don't blame a call like that on a senior official because officials of all ages are making strange calls due to lack of knowlege concerning the rules. My memory may be fading but I can remember that rule!!! Are there any more "old farts" out there? We don't have to take this kind of BS from these young un"s!!!!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by DJ
I disagree. Some officials havn't picked up a rule book since the beginning of the year. Don't blame a call like that on a senior official because officials of all ages are making strange calls due to lack of knowlege concerning the rules. My memory may be fading but I can remember that rule!!! Are there any more "old farts" out there? We don't have to take this kind of BS from these young un"s!!!!

Right on, DJ. Hit 'em with your walker!

[DownTownTonyBrown]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Right on, DJ. Hit 'em with your walker!

Which one of those six legs is your pivot point, Grandpa?

No! You can't carry the ball in that basket on the front of your walker.

Look Gramps, I can't figure it out - too many legs, not enough dribbles. I'm thinking you just better shoot from where your at.

Underhand granny stuff??? Did your wife teach you to shoot like that?

My God! Three points! Well done.

[DJ]

With viagra we can run circles around you young bucks on and off the court! "OLD FARTS RULE!"

[ChuckElias]

Warning!! Warning!! Extreme Bad Taste in the following post!! Contents may result in scolding from Juulie!!

Originally posted by DJ
With viagra we can run circles around you young bucks on and off the court! "OLD FARTS RULE!"

Maybe so, but did you hear the disclaimers in those Cialis commercials during the Superbowl?!?! Man, oh, man!!

This was honest-to-goodness the warning given at the end of one of the Cialis commercials: "While erections lasting more than four hours are rare, they may occur and require immediate medical attention."

First of all: Four hours!?!? That doesn't call for medical treatment, that calls for a trip to Vegas, baby!!

Second of all: What kind of treatment are you going to get? I mean, what are you going to write on the line for "Symptoms", while you're waiting in the emergency room? You could end up getting more applause than anything else!

You can keep that stuff, DJ!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
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This was honest-to-goodness the warning given at the end of one of the Cialis commercials: "While erections lasting more than four hours are rare, they may occur and require immediate medical attention."

Second of all: What kind of treatment are you going to get?

[/B][/QUOTE]Probably gonna take about 4 surgeons to get the smile off my face!!

[DJ]

Four hours, the last thing I'm going to do is call a surgeon. That will be the best no call I have ever made!

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Warning!! Warning!! Extreme Bad Taste in the following post!! Contents may result in scolding from Juulie!!

Maybe so, but did you hear the disclaimers in those Cialis commercials during the Superbowl?!?! Man, oh, man!!

This was honest-to-goodness the warning given at the end of one of the Cialis commercials: "While erections lasting more than four hours are rare, they may occur and require immediate medical attention."

First of all: Four hours!?!? That doesn't call for medical treatment, that calls for a trip to Vegas, baby!!

Second of all: What kind of treatment are you going to get? I mean, what are you going to write on the line for "Symptoms", while you're waiting in the emergency room? You could end up getting more applause than anything else!

You can keep that stuff, DJ!

Four hours?

Hey Chuck, can't you remember being in HS?

Four hours was a bad day.