Get a suitcase when you travel

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Smitty

No it's not. It's about picking up the pivot foot and putting it back down.

Actually, this comment is not correct either. If the pivot foot is lifted before the ball is released for a dribble, whether or not it's put back down has no bearing on the violation.

I know you know that, but it just seemed like you were quick to point out a fault, without asking what stiffler really meant. And, what stiffler said is actually how I've heard it phrased at many camps. Another good tip I've heard at camp is to pick up the defender a little quicker on a drive so it makes the block/charge call a little easier to call. I sure hope that doesn't mean I have to put both arms around the defender and pick them up off the floor?

I think Bob was simply pointing out you seem to be the one that needs to lighten up a little. You could've simply asked stiffler what they meant, instead of assuming they were phrasing it incorrectly.

[Smitty]

This is the last I'll say about this, so if you want to keep harping on it, feel free. I only read his response one way. It didn't dawn on me that there was another way to take it. I only realized after Bob mentioned the other interpretation of it that I misread what he intended to say. I would have been fine with that (but I still think it's a poor choice of words given the way I interpreted it, which was valid), except for the pissy "Lah me" BS tossed in at the end. As if I'm some sort of moron for reading it the way I did. The "asking what he meant" goes both ways. Jurrasic could get away with that crap but a moderator of the forum should hold himself to a higher standard.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Know what book states..but how do you recognize it? what should I be looking for?

Practical Steps You Can Take to Improve:

1) Identify the pivot foot once the ball is caught by the offensive player. (this takes some practice....so try doing it in the games you have left OR during ALL games you watch on TV).

2) Count the steps AFTER the offensive player ends his dribble....2 or less is OK...3 or more and you've got a travel. (this takes some practice....so try doing it in the games you have left OR during ALL games you watch on TV).

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

2) Count the steps AFTER the offensive player ends his dribble....2 or less is OK...3 or more and you've got a travel. (this takes some practice....so try doing it in the games you have left OR during ALL games you watch on TV).

I can't agree with this.
Identify pivot foot if the player picks it up before he dribbles- TRAVEL.
If he picks it up and places it down before he shoots or passes- TRAVEL.

I never go by the amount of steps. It leads to wrong calls.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

I can't agree with this.
Identify pivot foot if the player picks it up before he dribbles- TRAVEL.
If he picks it up and places it down before he shoots or passes- TRAVEL.

I never go by the amount of steps. It leads to wrong calls.

not if you count correctly...which is pretty easy to do.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Smitty

This is the last I'll say about this, so if you want to keep harping on it, feel free. I only read his response one way. It didn't dawn on me that there was another way to take it. I only realized after Bob mentioned the other interpretation of it that I misread what he intended to say. I would have been fine with that (but I still think it's a poor choice of words given the way I interpreted it, which was valid), except for the pissy "Lah me" BS tossed in at the end. As if I'm some sort of moron for reading it the way I did. The "asking what he meant" goes both ways. Jurrasic could get away with that crap but a moderator of the forum should hold himself to a higher standard.

Hahahahahaha!!

I love this stuff...Smitty gets pissy with stiffler, then gets all upset when Bob gets pissy with him!

That's awesome!

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

I can't agree with this.
Identify pivot foot if the player picks it up before he dribbles- TRAVEL.
If he picks it up and places it down before he shoots or passes- TRAVEL.

I never go by the amount of steps. It leads to wrong calls.

check out this video:

LeBron James' jump stop/"travel" against the Boston Celtics in Game 2, 2010 Playoffs - YouTube

doesn't matter if this moves occurs in the NBA, NCAA, or High School....it is not a travel and, if you count correctly, you've got TWO steps after the gather....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you, but the choice of words was poor, at best. Who pee'd in your cornflakes this morning? Lighten up, Francis.

Actually it wasn't and mostly people that do not have better to do make an issue out of this. Honestly, I have said the same thing for years and never had anyone assume it was more than what I was talking about. "It is all about picking up the pivot foot" when trying to call traveling. If you know which foot is the pivot foot, then you can call this more consistently. Only someone here would think that had anything to do with what the pivot foot can do.

Lah me.

Peace

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

not if you count correctly...which is pretty easy to do.

End my dribble with left foot on ground (pivot foot). Right foot steps-1st step. Left foot (pivot) steps-2nd step. Travel?

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

check out this video:

LeBron James' jump stop/"travel" against the Boston Celtics in Game 2, 2010 Playoffs - YouTube

doesn't matter if this moves occurs in the NBA, NCAA, or High School....it is not a travel and, if you count correctly, you've got TWO steps after the gather....

Correct if you gather while in mid air. (Which the video shows he did).

[Duffman]

This was also my biggest problem as an official. Sitting in the stands or lying on the couch I could spot a travel with ease. When you get on the court, and everything happens right in front of you it's actually more difficult to some degree.

The biggest thing for me was to start officiating from the ground up. The first thing I do when someone receives a pass is to ID the pivot foot (feet). Once you have that as others have said officiating the travel becomes less and less a conscious effort, and more of an instant reaction when it happens.

Work from the ground up EVERY time and you will become a much better traveling official.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Smitty

except for the pissy "Lah me" BS

That's your interpretation.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That's your interpretation.

Damn, you're good Bob!

[jump stop]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

check out this video:

LeBron James' jump stop/"travel" against the Boston Celtics in Game 2, 2010 Playoffs - YouTube

doesn't matter if this moves occurs in the NBA, NCAA, or High School....it is not a travel and, if you count correctly, you've got TWO steps after the gather....

I disagree , he did not gather with left foot on floor(did not take 2 steps).

Gather occurs with right foot on floor (in this case ball slapped together simultaneously with right foot hitting floor), jumps off right foot and lands on 2 simultaneously (only 1 step).
If he would have gathered while left foot on floor then right foot hits (jumps off right foot) and lands on 2 feet then you have travel.

See topic I started on "Reggie Miller calls travel...."

[APG]

Originally Posted by jump stop

If he would have gathered while left foot on floor then right foot hits (jumps off right foot) and lands on 2 feet then you have travel.

See topic I started on "Reggie Miller calls travel...."

Under NBA rules, that would not be a travel. The player just wouldn't be allowed to pivot after the jump stop.