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Thrower A1 pushes B1 in the chest to create more room for the throw-in.
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1. The thrower has moved too far forward during the throw-in, which is a violation (I'm basing this on the throw-in taking place at any time other than after a made/awarded field goal or free throw). 2. The defender has moved too close to the thrower, in which case it's a warning or technical foul on the defense. I can't see it happening in a situation where a team can run the endline - though I guess it could - because the thrower can run away from the defender. |
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And in that case it's not a PC foul.
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And I agree that calling the foul rather than the violation is justified by the same reasoning as calling an INT/T on B for contacting the thrower/ball instead of the violation for breaking the plane, though in each case technically the violation happened first.
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Sounds like an intentional foul to me, not a player control foul.
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Different/more severe than guard A2, without the ball, shoving their defender away to pop out and receive a pass? I've never called that intentional.
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You can't envision a player pushing an opponent in the chest without it being an intentional foul?
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Did I Actually Say Thrower-In-Er ??? Twice ???
Yes I can. But not when a thrower-in-er pushes the thrower-in-er's defender in the chest. It's not a "basketball play". I'm not going to bet my house on my interpretation, it's just my off the cuff opinion.
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Sounds like about 90% of the fouls in most games. A player is in the way of the team/player that wishes to make a play and they use contact to get open and make the pass....that sounds like a basketball play to me.
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Fouling from out of bounds? 90%? Really?
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