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Under NFHS, NCAA, and FIBA rules, a player control foul is a personal foul that is a common foul that is committed by a player in control of the ball. Under NCAA and FIBA rules, a team control foul is a personal foul that is a common foul that is committed by any player of the team in control of the ball. A player control foul is a team control foul. There is no such animal as a team control foul under NFHS rules. The penalty for player control foul under NFHS rules is that same as a team control under NCAA and FIBA rules. The player that committed the foul is charged with the foul and the offended team receives the ball for a throw-in nearest the spot of the foul. FIBA has had the team control definition in its rules for well over thirty years. Until the late 1970's the NBCUSC (the fore-father of the NFHS and NCAA rules committees) had the team control rule, but then dropped it until the NCAA returned it to the rule book. MTD, Sr.
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Jullie: There there is no such animal as an offensive foul in either NFHS or NCAA (or FIBA for that matter). NBA/WNBA has offensive fouls and it is the same as a team control foul in NCAA and FIBA. I know that under NBA/WNBA rules that no free throws are shot if the offensive foul is committed by the player in control of the ball. I am not sure what the penalty is if the foul is by a player not in control of the ball. Maybe Chuck can give us more information about offensive fouls in the NBA/WNBA. MTD, Sr.
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Juulie: I have a very big problem with officials who use incorrect terminology. We have enough problems with coaches, fans, and announcers (not too mention officials) who call over-the-back fouls. I do not allow my student officials use incorrect terminology. When an official uses correct terminology he reduces the chance of a coach misunderstanding what is being said to him when he ask an official to explain his call. MTD, Sr.
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Mark,
BIG difference between the "over the back" misconception and using "offensive" instead of "player control". One is people thinking something is a foul when it's not. The other is a concise, easy to understand, and pretty accurate description of the infraction. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE I know, when a PC foul happens, blows the whistle and indicates "offense!" in some way, not "player control" or "team control". I cannot think of a scenario where a coach would misunderstand me if I told him his player commmitted an "offensive foul". I know why you feel the way you do, but in this case, I think you're being a little officious.
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The term is concise and since the defense CANNOT commit a PC foul, NOBODY could possibly misunderstand what is being called. |
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I repeat there is no such animal as an "offensive" foul in NFHS, NCAA, and FIBA basketball. If one is going to do his job correctly, one must use the correct terminology. When one uses the correct terminology, he cannot be accused of not knowing what he is discussing. When a professional (and officiating is a profession) uses correct terminology it is very difficult for a coach to turn his words against him.
When a professional does not use correct terminology it makes him look like he doesn't know his subject matter. One can find far too many threads in this forum where officials confuse flagrant technical fouls with flagrant personal fouls as one example or confusing a live ball as the same as whene the game clock is running. Remember we are the professionals on the court when it comes to the rules and mechancis, not the coaches and we have to project that image all of the time, and our use of correct terminology helps in the aspect of our job. MTD, Sr.
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It is MUCH different than using OTB or reaching in, or on the floor, because the rule CAN be misinterpreted by these terms. Offense on a PC foul at the spot is no different than vocalizing, "Illegal screen," and then reporting the block or push. Saying block or push during an illegal screen, DOES open up the official to questions about the call. |
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I'm with Mark on this one. There is no such thing as an offensive foul under fed or ncaa rules. This does not change simply because you yell "OFFENSE!!" while pointing down court. I yell "THAT WAY!!", does that mean I just called a "that way" foul?
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Jumping higher than the player in front of you and grabbing the ball w/out displacing that player is NOT a foul. |
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