Not facing the opponent

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I misspoke a little in my question. What I really meant to say was where does it say that all contact with a player involve all players to gain LGP? There are case plays and interpretations in the S&I books or pictures that show the NF wants a foul on players that run over players that are not facing them. I do not see any examples where someone is called for this just because they did not once face the player with the ball?

Fully stationary players, yes. But not moving/jumping.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And verticality is not just about someone jumping it is about staying in your vertical plane.

Peace

Indeed, but you can't take advantage of verticality (by either raising arms or jumping) until the requirements of verticality are met (LGP when defending, or legal rebounding position if rebounding).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Fully stationary players, yes. But not moving/jumping.


Indeed, but you can't take advantage of verticality (by either raising arms or jumping) until the requirements of verticality are met (LGP when defending, or legal rebounding position if rebounding).

Thanks, Camron. The rule says players are entitled to their spot "on the playing floor." Not in the air.

[just another ref]

If a player is stationary, then jumps or raises his arms in his own vertical plane, he can't possibly contact anyone unless that player leaves his own vertical plane. Then what?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Indeed, but you can't take advantage of verticality (by either raising arms or jumping) until the requirements of verticality are met (LGP when defending, or legal rebounding position if rebounding).

So, are you saying, if you're not facing the ball handler (and therefore don't have LGP), you don't have the rights to verticality, that if you jump straight up, and contact takes place (assuming it's not a stiff-arm or elbow from the shooter), this would be a blocking foul?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bainsey

So, are you saying, if you're not facing the ball handler (and therefore don't have LGP), you don't have the rights to verticality, that if you jump straight up, and contact takes place (assuming it's not a stiff-arm or elbow from the shooter), this would be a blocking foul?

I am not buying that at all. And since a lot of LGP situations would not apply like a rebound or loose ball situations where there is no position to establish and a ball handler is not involved to face. But to suggest that verticality only applies if LGP is present is silly to me and does not make any since. And really does not make since when you read POEs and examples given to highlight that rule.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bainsey

So, are you saying, if you're not facing the ball handler (and therefore don't have LGP), you don't have the rights to verticality, that if you jump straight up, and contact takes place (assuming it's not a stiff-arm or elbow from the shooter), this would be a blocking foul?

I am. They can stand there and be legal but they don't get the any of the rights of LGP if they don't have LGP.