Not facing the opponent

[Camron Rust]

LGP grants the right to move and jump. Without it a player doesn't have the right to do either when contact occurs. Here is the rule on verticality...

Verticality applies to a legal position. Following are the basic components of the principle of verticality:
ART. 1 . . . Legal guarding position must be obtained initially and movement thereafter must be legal.
ART. 2 . . . From this position, the defender may rise or jump vertically and occupy the space within his/her vertical plane.
ART. 3 . . . The hands and arms of the defender may be raised within his/her vertical plane while on the floor or in the air.

So, until they have LGP, they may have a legal spot by getting there first but when they jump without having LGP, they forfeit the right to their spot....in a sense, they're moving to a new spot above the one they started from and the verticality rule doesn't allow them to do so.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

So, until they have LGP, they may have a legal spot by getting there first but when they jump without having LGP, they forfeit the right to their spot....in a sense, they're moving to a new spot above the one they started from and the verticality rule doesn't allow them to do so.

Hmmm, then let's try this.

A-1 is guarded by B-2, who is in the lane and facing A-1 (has LGP).

A-1 passes to A-3, who drives and goes airborne. B-2, who is not facing A-3 but remains on his spot, jumps straight up. There is body contact between A-3 and B-2. Blocking foul?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

.....when they jump without having LGP, they forfeit the right to their spot....in a sense, they're moving to a new spot above the one they started from and the verticality rule doesn't allow them to do so.

Player A1 catches a pass near 3 point line, and squares up to shoot. B1 arrives too late to contest the shot, so he takes a position in front of A1 with his back to him intending to box him out. He turns to see A1 still holding the ball, looking into the post. He jumps straight up with his hands up, hoping to deflect the pass. A1 puts the ball on the floor and plows into B1's back. Ruling: blocking foul on B1

not bloody likely

[MiamiWadeCounty]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

LGP grants the right to move and jump. Without it a player doesn't have the right to do either when contact occurs..

So can a secondary defender draw a PC in the RA (restricted area)?

The RA doesn't allow ILGP to be obtained in there, but by your logic, a secondary defender doesn't need LGP to draw PC foul in the RA if he's not moving when contact occurs, even though they made it clear that no secondary defender can be there no matter how long they've been stationed in there.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MiamiWadeCounty

So can a secondary defender draw a PC in the RA (restricted area)?

The RA doesn't allow ILGP to be obtained in there, but by your logic, a secondary defender doesn't need LGP to draw PC foul in the RA if he's not moving when contact occurs, even though they made it clear that no secondary defender can be there no matter how long they've been stationed in there.

1) This has generally been a HS discussion, and the RA is NCAA.

2) It's clear that the rule says something to the effect that "a player is entitled to his/her spot on the floor provided s/he gets there legally first." Standing in the RA is NOT getting there "legally."

3) Your'e wrong about his logic.

[MiamiWadeCounty]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1) This has generally been a HS discussion, and the RA is NCAA.

2) It's clear that the rule says something to the effect that "a player is entitled to his/her spot on the floor provided s/he gets there legally first." Standing in the RA is NOT getting there "legally."

3) Your'e wrong about his logic.

NCAA rules state that a secondary defender shall not established ILGP in the RA. But a lot of you say that a defender doesn't need LGP to draw a charge. So if a secondary defender doesn't need LGP to draw a charge, and the RA ONLY talks about ILGP, then why can't a secondary defender stand in the RA, facing the crowd, and getting plow from behind and still draw a charge?