Partners not on same page....

[freddie_g2001]

Situation is this; I am sure everyone has called a game with someone that you are not on the same page with. I worked a championship tournament and My partner and I were not on the same planet. He was calling all over the floor, and "Breathe on you" fouls. Anyway, At halftime, I tactfully said, and in a polite way, I said, "partner, If you would just slow down a bit and referee the result of the play, Some of the fouls you might not have to call. He got very Defensive and Actually got Upset and felt he was being talked down to. He actually made the comment that He hates how Officials do that and etc. He also told me, "I called you to go work this game with me, Don't forget that. And it was him that did me the favor, etc. I said Ok, Got it and tried to change the subject. I didn't want to upset him anymore because we had another half to work. So we went out to work the 2nd half and because i didn't match his calls, We looked terrible as a crew. I wasn't about to make up fouls to be on the same page with him. Guess that made us very "INCONSISTENT" as the coaches like to use. I really tried to be a good partner but because he called everything, It looked like I didn't know what I was doing. I honestly didn't mean it in a degrading way but I can say, I will be ok if we don't work together again. Wondering if anyone else has had a partner that you just didn't blend in with.........Thanks for your input in advance.........freddie_g2001 at Yahoo.com

[stiffler3492]

I think we've all had a partner or two who we wouldn't mind never working with again. We also maybe have had partners who never want to work with us again.

There's just no way that we're always going to have great chemistry with everyone we work with.

Your next partner could be the best you've ever had.

[JRutledge]

Just another day in the life of an official.

Peace

[tref]

Originally Posted by freddie_g2001

At halftime, I tactfully said, and in a polite way, I said, "partner, If you would just slow down a bit and referee the result of the play, Some of the fouls you might not have to call. He got very Defensive and Actually got Upset and felt he was being talked down to.

Us referees can be a sensitive bunch at times. Perhaps you could've worded it differently?

I'm learning to start with myself (whether its true or not) which makes it easier for others to open up & talk about their miscues.

"How do you feel about our consistency as a crew? I know that I need to slow down a bit & referee the result of the contact, I could've saved a couple of fouls. What do you think?"


Some nights we have to trick partners into getting on the same page. And on those other nights... savor the moment!!

[Adam]

Sometimes we just need to finish the game and go home.

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sometimes we just need to finish the game and go home.

Yep.

[zm1283]

I know this is an old thread, but...

Along the lines of partners giving feedback, I had this happen this week.

After our 3-whistle BV game, we get in the locker room and one of my partners starts a postgame conversation, which is normal. The problem I had with it was that it was that he was the only one doing the talking and he directed it all at me about one play, which I thought was unfair. Not only that, but he accused me of calling in front of him in his area, and used this one play as an example. (He didn't approach it with the "What did you see?" like others have used in this thread)

I was the C, he was the L, and we had a player in the lane shooting a 3-4 footer while moving toward the basket. The defender pushed him from behind and I got the foul. Probably not in my primary by strict interpretation, but definitely in the gray area in the lane, and I had a great angle and look at the play, so I called it. He told me that "At that point in the game we should let #32 play through that" (#32 is a very good player and it was the 4th quarter), and that the play was two feet in front of him. I simply asked if he would have called it a foul in the first quarter, to which he got really defensive. That led to a short argument and voices being raised. (If he didn't want me to respond, he shouldn't have brought it up in the first place)

He did admit on the way home that he handled it the wrong way, and I told him that I don't have a problem discussing plays, but I don't care to get accused of calling out of my area because of one play in the gray area.

[freddie_g2001]

Perhaps you are right, Although I Sincerely didn't mean to hurt the guys feelings, I have a friend that has always told me, I have good intentions, Bad Delivery. Probably true. Maybe i could have re-worded it. I really did like the guy and know he wants to be good. I have strived the past 3 or 4 years to be a better partner, but Will not make Calls Up for the sake of matching a partner's call........Guess it is what it is...........Thanks for the input.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by freddie_g2001

.... because he called everything, It looked like I didn't know what I was doing.

If your description is accurate, more likely it looked like he didn't know what he was doing.

[just another ref]

Wondering about this guy's age and experience level.

[jophyal]

a good pre game can sometimes be a good preventative tool. i normally ask if either of us have had these teams/players. i try to let me partner know what i am working on that game and ask them the same. however, i know in most non varsity games we meet a few minutes before tip off and run out. i had a coach tell me that he can tell how the game is going to go by the greetings the referees show one another. a regular hand shake means we are meeting for the first time and a hug/chest bump shows him we know each other... good luck the rest of the season.

[freddie_g2001]

Partner had 4 years experience.....No bigger game experience......only worked a hand full of varsity games......mostly JV and below.......

[RobbyinTN]

I called a two whistle game with a guy like this once - except I am not sure he was even on the same floor or the same sport even. I had pre-gamed with him and he said he was relatively new so I went through what we needed to look for, etc. I told him not to be afraid to call a foul and if he called one to follow through. I said to be sure to blow the whistle with authority so we can all hear it.

Got to the game and he never called ANYTHING - and I am being serious. He never called a foul the whole game, wouldn't blow whistle, call color or point direction on a OOB play, his mechanics were non existent, etc. He didn't understand rotation. It was a disaster. The coaches were livid and I understood. Of course if I called something that was out of my PCA (since he never did), they were upset. If I didn't call something, they were upset. Both coaches ended up with Ts before the night was over. I hated to whack them but it was getting out of control. It was by far the worse partner I have ever had. He looked horrible and it made me look bad as well.

I called our assigner after the game and told him that he didn't need to be calling games. I never saw him again and he isn't listed on our roster of officials.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by freddie_g2001

Situation is this; I am sure everyone has called a game with someone that you are not on the same page with. I worked a championship tournament and My partner and I were not on the same planet. He was calling all over the floor, and "Breathe on you" fouls. Anyway, At halftime, I tactfully said, and in a polite way, I said, "partner, If you would just slow down a bit and referee the result of the play, Some of the fouls you might not have to call. He got very Defensive and Actually got Upset and felt he was being talked down to. He actually made the comment that He hates how Officials do that and etc.

Maybe your partner just had a different concept of how much contact should be allowed. Maybe he also thought you were letting way too much go. If he had come to you first at the half and said "Partner, if you would just slow down a bit and referee the result of the play, you might get more of the fouls.", would you get defensive and upset and felt that you were being talked down to?

Think about it.

Every official has their own idea of how much contact should be allowed and what is a foul. Who decides which one.... the official who calls a tight game or the official that calls a loose game....is right? If I'm observing/evaluating and an official is consistent in his foul calling, what am I supposed to say to him?

Some officials just don't work well together because of different play-calling philosophies. There's not much you can do if you get a partner with opposite views except get through it. Smart assignors pick these things up and will try to keep you away from each other. And note, that doesn't mean that either official was wrong or a bad official. They're just not suited to work with each other.

JMO.

[RobbyinTN]

In my pre-games I always talk about how tight or loose we are going to call something. This way I learn my partner(s) take on fouls,e tc and they learn mine. We might not agree totally but I know that going in. I agree that some partners call too loose and some too tight but if you discuss some of this before hand, it won't eliminate the issue but might help get you on same page. I agree that if you call consistently it shouldn't make much difference

I tend to call MS games more loose than HS games