Dunk in pregame

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Have fun getting the charged technical foul recorded in the scorebook, because the name of the offender is probably not going to be there.

Neither are the names of the coaches.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Neither are the names of the coaches.

+1 That's what I was getting at. The name of the head coach may or may not be in the book, but certainly not anywhere with a place to mark a foul beside. As for an assistant coach, it is unlikely that his name would be written at all.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

+1 That's what I was getting at. The name of the head coach may or may not be in the book, but certainly not anywhere with a place to mark a foul beside. As for an assistant coach, it is unlikely that his name would be written at all.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Neither are the names of the coaches.

The plot thickens.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The plot thickens.

The Mark V basketball scorebook, one of the most popular basketball scorebooks, does have a place to list the coach's name, and it also has a place to check off any direct, or indirect, technical fouls that the coach may be charged with.



Once again, the plot thickens.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The Mark V basketball scorebook, one of the most popular basketball scorebooks, does have a place to list the coach's name, and it also has a place to check off any direct, or indirect, technical fouls that the coach may be charged with.



Once again, the plot thickens.

I stand corrected, but obviously this is secondary to the main point.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

How can you justify charging a team technical for a pregame dunk, it's a player technical?

If a kid dunks in pre-game, and he's not part of either team for a game, he's just a fan. How do we handle fans on the court? We allow game management deal with them by dismissing the disruptive fan.

Since 2-8-1 allows for Ts for disruptive fans -- with discretion, of course -- this could be your rule citation for a technical foul. Again, it's not how I would handled it (unless my association directed me otherwise), but it's a rule citation nonetheless.

[constable]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Yoda??

Nice...

Go read 4-34 and the definitions there.

I'm well aware of what the rule says. A JV player is not affiliated with the V team. If there name isn't on the sheet, if they aren't on the bench then they aren't affiliated.

Again- what if it was a fan dressed in warm ups that dunked?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by constable

I'm well aware of what the rule says. A JV player is not affiliated with the V team. If there name isn't on the sheet, if they aren't on the bench then they aren't affiliated.

Again- what if it was a fan dressed in warm ups that dunked?

I believe this has been stated numerous times in the thread. If a person, any person, is dressed like the team, and warming up with the team, some of us consider that an affiliation.

Coach: "I didn't even know he was out there!"

Official: "It is your business to know who is out there."

[Adam]

Maybe the horse isn't suficiently dead after all, but I never saw an answer to this question:

In the pregame warmups for the varsity game, U2 approaches A1 to inform him that he needs to remove his Live Strong bracelet. A2, standing next to him, says, "Why don't you worry about the game, D1ckhead?"

As you go to the table to report the T, coach tells you that A2 is a JV player who is allowed to warm up with the varsity but won't be on the bench or roster.

You're not going through with this T?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by constable

I'm well aware of what the rule says. A JV player is not affiliated with the V team. If there name isn't on the sheet, if they aren't on the bench then they aren't affiliated.

Again- what if it was a fan dressed in warm ups that dunked?

Obviously you aren't familiar with 4-34, or you wouldn't be putting anything in your reply about their name being on a sheet...4-34 says nothing about a name having to be on a sheet.

What it does say is: ART. 2 . . . Bench personnel are all individuals who are part of or affiliated with a team, including, but not limited to: substitutes, coaches, manager(s) and statistician(s). During an intermission, all team members are bench personnel for the purpose of penalizing unsporting behavior.

So...since this OP was during an intermission, and the kid was dressed as a player, and he dunked - which is unsporting behavior - he is penalized as bench personnel. It's right there...all you have to do is read it.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe the horse isn't suficiently dead after all....

Awww, I already copied your horsie pic to My Pictures.

To answer your question, though, I'm going with a toss from the gym. While it sure "feels" like a T, you can't T up someone who's not in the game, and an ejection sends a bigger message anyway, without really penalizing the team that he's not on. Besides, a student that gets tossed from his own gym will have to answer to his own authorities the next day. It also prevents a probable next-day beating from the varsity players.

If I ever have to use 2-8-1, it'll be to prevent things from getting out of hand. Being called a penile helmet once doesn't quite qualify, IMO.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Awww, I already copied your horsie pic to My Pictures.

To answer your question, though, I'm going with a toss from the gym. While it sure "feels" like a T, you can't T up someone who's not in the game, and an ejection sends a bigger message anyway, without really penalizing the team that he's not on. Besides, a student that gets tossed from his own gym will have to answer to his own authorities the next day. It also prevents a probable next-day beating from the varsity players.

If I ever have to use 2-8-1, it'll be to prevent things from getting out of hand. Being called a penile helmet once doesn't quite qualify, IMO.

As long as you deal with it, I'm not overly concerned with how.

In my game, he's getting the T, and if we have to consider him an assistant coach to do it, so be it. Same with the pregame dunk, IMO.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

To answer your question, though, I'm going with a toss from the gym.

Where do you get the authority to toss anyone from the gym?

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by snaqwells

in my game, he's getting the t, and if we have to consider him an assistant coach to do it, so be it. Same with the pregame dunk, imo.

+1

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Where do you get the authority to toss anyone from the gym?

Before we get into silly semantics, I *always* have the authority to have someone removed from the gym if I need to. Does anyone really question that?