Dunk in pregame

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jmcmu66

There was a bjv game in our area with a interesting warmup. As the home team was warming up, a varsity member got in the line and dunked. The officials T'd the home team, gave them a team foul, and coach had to sit. What do you think?

Personally, if the varsity kid joined the JV layup line, I've got no problem with the T. Coach should keep him off the floor. If coach is in the locker room with the team, different scenario, IMO.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Personally, if the varsity kid joined the JV layup line, I've got no problem with the T. Coach should keep him off the floor. If coach is in the locker room with the team, different scenario, IMO.

I'm guessing you wouldn't T him up just for coming on the floor and warming up so you're invoking the rule against dunking?
Is so, what if he'd joined the other teams lineup and dunked? Or what if he had been a random fan who ran on? And why wouldn't you make them addd him to the book (which depending on the time remaining, might get them another T).

[Adam]

Good questions, and the answer would like depend on the situation. I'm sure the team would object the moment an unfamiliar face got in line.

[Adam]

Maybe the horse isn't suficiently dead after all, but I never saw an answer to this question:

In the pregame warmups for the varsity game, U2 approaches A1 to inform him that he needs to remove his Live Strong bracelet. A2, standing next to him, says, "Why don't you worry about the game, D1ckhead?"

As you go to the table to report the T, coach tells you that A2 is a JV player who is allowed to warm up with the varsity but won't be on the bench or roster.

You're not going through with this T?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe the horse isn't suficiently dead after all....

Awww, I already copied your horsie pic to My Pictures.

To answer your question, though, I'm going with a toss from the gym. While it sure "feels" like a T, you can't T up someone who's not in the game, and an ejection sends a bigger message anyway, without really penalizing the team that he's not on. Besides, a student that gets tossed from his own gym will have to answer to his own authorities the next day. It also prevents a probable next-day beating from the varsity players.

If I ever have to use 2-8-1, it'll be to prevent things from getting out of hand. Being called a penile helmet once doesn't quite qualify, IMO.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Awww, I already copied your horsie pic to My Pictures.

To answer your question, though, I'm going with a toss from the gym. While it sure "feels" like a T, you can't T up someone who's not in the game, and an ejection sends a bigger message anyway, without really penalizing the team that he's not on. Besides, a student that gets tossed from his own gym will have to answer to his own authorities the next day. It also prevents a probable next-day beating from the varsity players.

If I ever have to use 2-8-1, it'll be to prevent things from getting out of hand. Being called a penile helmet once doesn't quite qualify, IMO.

As long as you deal with it, I'm not overly concerned with how.

In my game, he's getting the T, and if we have to consider him an assistant coach to do it, so be it. Same with the pregame dunk, IMO.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by snaqwells

in my game, he's getting the t, and if we have to consider him an assistant coach to do it, so be it. Same with the pregame dunk, imo.

+1

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

To answer your question, though, I'm going with a toss from the gym.

Where do you get the authority to toss anyone from the gym?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Where do you get the authority to toss anyone from the gym?

Before we get into silly semantics, I *always* have the authority to have someone removed from the gym if I need to. Does anyone really question that?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Before we get into silly semantics, I *always* have the authority to have someone removed from the gym if I need to. Does anyone really question that?

Thank you.

[just another ref]

The point is first that you really don't. If the situation arises that a person needs to be removed, hopefully game management will back you.

"I want that guy removed."

"I'll take care of it. I'll talk to him."

Then what?

Second, and applicable here, hopefully we don't ask for removal unless a person's actions are waaaaay out of line. A dunk in warmups does not meet this description, particularly if that dunker was out there with the blessing of the coach.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Where do you get the authority to toss anyone from the gym?

Really?

I guess we can't personally toss them but we can and do hold the game until game management has done so...which is effectively the same thing.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Really?

I guess we can't personally toss them but we can and do hold the game until game management has done so...which is effectively the same thing.

As it should be. But what about the extreme example? What about an official who wants to eject the player's mother for stepping onto the court to check on an injured player as he lies motionless?

There are exceptions to everything.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by just another ref

There are exceptions to everything.

OK, what's the exception to that?