Dunk in pregame

[Jmcmu66]

There was a bjv game in our area with a interesting warmup. As the home team was warming up, a varsity member got in the line and dunked. The officials T'd the home team, gave them a team foul, and coach had to sit. What do you think?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jmcmu66

There was a bjv game in our area with a interesting warmup. As the home team was warming up, a varsity member got in the line and dunked. The officials T'd the home team, gave them a team foul, and coach had to sit. What do you think?

Personally, if the varsity kid joined the JV layup line, I've got no problem with the T. Coach should keep him off the floor. If coach is in the locker room with the team, different scenario, IMO.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Personally, if the varsity kid joined the JV layup line, I've got no problem with the T. Coach should keep him off the floor. If coach is in the locker room with the team, different scenario, IMO.

I'm guessing you wouldn't T him up just for coming on the floor and warming up so you're invoking the rule against dunking?
Is so, what if he'd joined the other teams lineup and dunked? Or what if he had been a random fan who ran on? And why wouldn't you make them addd him to the book (which depending on the time remaining, might get them another T).

[Adam]

Good questions, and the answer would like depend on the situation. I'm sure the team would object the moment an unfamiliar face got in line.

[Adam]

Maybe the horse isn't suficiently dead after all, but I never saw an answer to this question:

In the pregame warmups for the varsity game, U2 approaches A1 to inform him that he needs to remove his Live Strong bracelet. A2, standing next to him, says, "Why don't you worry about the game, D1ckhead?"

As you go to the table to report the T, coach tells you that A2 is a JV player who is allowed to warm up with the varsity but won't be on the bench or roster.

You're not going through with this T?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe the horse isn't suficiently dead after all....

Awww, I already copied your horsie pic to My Pictures.

To answer your question, though, I'm going with a toss from the gym. While it sure "feels" like a T, you can't T up someone who's not in the game, and an ejection sends a bigger message anyway, without really penalizing the team that he's not on. Besides, a student that gets tossed from his own gym will have to answer to his own authorities the next day. It also prevents a probable next-day beating from the varsity players.

If I ever have to use 2-8-1, it'll be to prevent things from getting out of hand. Being called a penile helmet once doesn't quite qualify, IMO.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Awww, I already copied your horsie pic to My Pictures.

To answer your question, though, I'm going with a toss from the gym. While it sure "feels" like a T, you can't T up someone who's not in the game, and an ejection sends a bigger message anyway, without really penalizing the team that he's not on. Besides, a student that gets tossed from his own gym will have to answer to his own authorities the next day. It also prevents a probable next-day beating from the varsity players.

If I ever have to use 2-8-1, it'll be to prevent things from getting out of hand. Being called a penile helmet once doesn't quite qualify, IMO.

As long as you deal with it, I'm not overly concerned with how.

In my game, he's getting the T, and if we have to consider him an assistant coach to do it, so be it. Same with the pregame dunk, IMO.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by snaqwells

in my game, he's getting the t, and if we have to consider him an assistant coach to do it, so be it. Same with the pregame dunk, imo.

+1

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

To answer your question, though, I'm going with a toss from the gym.

Where do you get the authority to toss anyone from the gym?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Where do you get the authority to toss anyone from the gym?

Before we get into silly semantics, I *always* have the authority to have someone removed from the gym if I need to. Does anyone really question that?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Where do you get the authority to toss anyone from the gym?

Really?

I guess we can't personally toss them but we can and do hold the game until game management has done so...which is effectively the same thing.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Jmcmu66

There was a bjv game in our area with a interesting warmup. As the home team was warming up, a varsity member got in the line and dunked. The officials T'd the home team, gave them a team foul, and coach had to sit. What do you think?

I think that player had extra running in his next practice.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I think that player had extra running in his next practice.

My coach would have had us all running extra.

[bainsey]

I'm not sure a T applies here.

It's been explained to us that, at halftime, if the varsity comes on the floor and shoots around while the actual teams are in the locker room, that's fine, until the actual players of that game take the floor again. Additionally, if someone dunks who's not playing in that game, we have no jurisdiction to give a technical foul.

I have to think this also applies in pre-game. Besides, this infraction (pre-game dunking) is a player technical foul, not a team technical. Granted, this player shouldn't have been on the floor in the first place, but if the player is not in the book, there's no foul.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Varsity Players ‘warming up’ with JV Players at Pre-Game & Halftime? Consider this….
It happens everywhere more and more. Varsity players get out and warm-up with JV players. But consider this; when they do so, there is no distinguishing between a JV player and a varsity player. If the officials are on the floor, they have jurisdiction. So when that Varsity player wants to demonstrate his jumping ability and dunk….it is a “T” just like any other time. Might ‘seem’ farfetched at first, but nearly EVERY coach agrees the integrity of the game needs to be protected. It starts with simple enforcement of regular adopted game rules

I like it and it's exactly the way I would handle it.

I guess those who wouldn't assess the T would allow the entire varsity team to take the floor and dunk to their hearts content without penalty. i mean, if it's not illegal, then there's no rule available to stop them from doing it.

As for players not being allowed to dunk in pre-game, it's a safety issue. in warm-ups, you're going to have kids trying to dunk who can't dunk. A kid who can barely touch the rim is more subject to falling and getting injured than a 6'8" player. Also, there's the risk of damaging equipment. It's legal during the game, so if some damage occurs, it's something that happens. But do school systems really want to spend $$ replacing a backboard because some knucklehead was showing off in warmups? I don't think so.

As for the coach sitting, he's responsible for bench personnel. I don't see why that's difficult to understand.