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Jmcmu66 Wed Jan 18, 2012 09:27pm

Dunk in pregame
 
There was a bjv game in our area with a interesting warmup. As the home team was warming up, a varsity member got in the line and dunked. The officials T'd the home team, gave them a team foul, and coach had to sit. What do you think?

Adam Wed Jan 18, 2012 09:33pm

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Originally Posted by Jmcmu66 (Post 814660)
There was a bjv game in our area with a interesting warmup. As the home team was warming up, a varsity member got in the line and dunked. The officials T'd the home team, gave them a team foul, and coach had to sit. What do you think?

Personally, if the varsity kid joined the JV layup line, I've got no problem with the T. Coach should keep him off the floor. If coach is in the locker room with the team, different scenario, IMO.

26 Year Gap Wed Jan 18, 2012 09:34pm

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Originally Posted by Jmcmu66 (Post 814660)
There was a bjv game in our area with a interesting warmup. As the home team was warming up, a varsity member got in the line and dunked. The officials T'd the home team, gave them a team foul, and coach had to sit. What do you think?

I think that player had extra running in his next practice.

Adam Wed Jan 18, 2012 09:50pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 814664)
I think that player had extra running in his next practice.

My coach would have had us all running extra.

youngump Wed Jan 18, 2012 09:51pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 814663)
Personally, if the varsity kid joined the JV layup line, I've got no problem with the T. Coach should keep him off the floor. If coach is in the locker room with the team, different scenario, IMO.

I'm guessing you wouldn't T him up just for coming on the floor and warming up so you're invoking the rule against dunking?
Is so, what if he'd joined the other teams lineup and dunked? Or what if he had been a random fan who ran on? And why wouldn't you make them addd him to the book (which depending on the time remaining, might get them another T).

Adam Wed Jan 18, 2012 09:56pm

Good questions, and the answer would like depend on the situation. I'm sure the team would object the moment an unfamiliar face got in line.

bainsey Wed Jan 18, 2012 09:58pm

I'm not sure a T applies here.

It's been explained to us that, at halftime, if the varsity comes on the floor and shoots around while the actual teams are in the locker room, that's fine, until the actual players of that game take the floor again. Additionally, if someone dunks who's not playing in that game, we have no jurisdiction to give a technical foul.

I have to think this also applies in pre-game. Besides, this infraction (pre-game dunking) is a player technical foul, not a team technical. Granted, this player shouldn't have been on the floor in the first place, but if the player is not in the book, there's no foul.

Adam Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:06pm

I'm not married to the idea of a T, but I'm not going to fault an official who calls one here. Besides, as 26yg notes, there will be lessons learned this way.

bainsey Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:12pm

But what's the rule basis here? 2-8-1?

Adam Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:27pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 814677)
But what's the rule basis here? 2-8-1?

That gives you the authority to call the T without adding to the book. I'd likely not assess the indirect in this case, and I'd have to feel certain that it was.a player from the same school, but there's a good chance I'd go there if it played out as I envision.

deecee Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:54pm

Unless it was a player for either team I am not assessing a T here.

bainsey Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:15pm

Wait, what if it's a JV girls' game?

deecee Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:37pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 814690)
Wait, what if it's a JV girls' game?

Then its a forfeit.

Nevadaref Thu Jan 19, 2012 05:18am

A technical foul is definitely WRONG in this situation.
The rule is clear and states that the act must be committed by "bench personnel, including the head coach." (10-4)

Simply have the person removed from the court and continue with the pre-game warm-up.

amusedofficial Thu Jan 19, 2012 07:01am

A T is a T is a T
 
T him. Presumably the rule in effect says no dunking in pregame. He's part of the pregame for one team if he's on the court and in uniform, per 4-24-4. He's in uniform, He dunks. We whack. The coach is responsible for controlling his own warm-up.

I find the excuse that he's not bench personnel because he is not in the book unavailing. That would mean a team could send its team out to warm up, list nobody in the book, dunk away, intimidate the opposition, then retreat immune from anything beyond a single administrative T


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