Dunk in pregame

[deecee]

I would T a player who is warming up with the team and looks like he belongs to the team. I would not T a player who just comes on the court, dunks and leaves.

I would tell the coach to keep his varsity kids off the court. Warming up with the players and coming on the court just to dunk and leave are 2 different things IMO.

The issue I would also see is since this is also a player tech we would have to add the player to the book which could have eligibility issues etc.

[Adam]

I'm not married to the idea of a T, but I'm not going to fault an official who calls one here. Besides, as 26yg notes, there will be lessons learned this way.

[bainsey]

But what's the rule basis here? 2-8-1?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

But what's the rule basis here? 2-8-1?

That gives you the authority to call the T without adding to the book. I'd likely not assess the indirect in this case, and I'd have to feel certain that it was.a player from the same school, but there's a good chance I'd go there if it played out as I envision.

[deecee]

Unless it was a player for either team I am not assessing a T here.

[bainsey]

Wait, what if it's a JV girls' game?

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by Jmcmu66

There was a bjv game in our area with a interesting warmup. As the home team was warming up, a varsity member got in the line and dunked. The officials T'd the home team, gave them a team foul, and coach had to sit. What do you think?

I think that this is a bad rule. First what's wrong with dunking in warm ups? They can dunk during the game and as long as they don't hang onto the rim, the risk of damaging the rim is low. Secondly, why should the coach have to sit after getting a technical? Never understood the logic there?

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Jay R

I think that this is a bad rule. First what's wrong with dunking in warm ups? They can dunk during the game and as long as they don't hang onto the rim, the risk of damaging the rim is low. Secondly, why should the coach have to sit after getting a technical? Never understood the logic there?

The rule against dunking in warmups is mainly because of potential injuries from what I've been told. That and possible damage to equipment, such as the baskets.

The coach being seatbelted is a high school thing and is done to discourage unsporting behavior. If a coach knows he will have to sit the rest of a game, he is more likely to keep his team and himself under control. It obviously is not always a deterrent, but it helps.

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by Jay R

First what's wrong with dunking in warm ups?

I'll flip it around, what's right with dunking in warm ups?

[Rich]

I find it hilarious that people think Referee publishes this stuff without consulting or working with the NFHS.

I find it even more hilarious when a 46 year old case play is cited as evidence of anything.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

I find it even more hilarious when a 46 year old case play is cited as evidence of anything.

I only find it amusing, not hilarious. Many (a large majority) of caseplays in the casebook have been published, virtually unchanged, since I started officiating thirty-seven years ago, with no change (except maybe a case number). Are they no longer valid?

Granted, caseplays disappear as old rules are changed, but are we to ignore the ones that hang around?

Some caseplays disappear with no explanation (which is probably what Rich is talking about). Were they removed because they were no longer valid, or were they removed because of space considerations? "Ay there's the rub" (Hamlet', Act 3 Scene 3, Billy Shakespeare).

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I only find it amusing, not hilarious. Many (a large majority) of caseplays in the casebook have been published, virtually unchanged, since I started officiating thirty-seven years ago, with no change (except maybe a case number). Are they no longer valid?

Granted, caseplays disappear as old rules are changed, but are we to ignore the ones that hang around?

Some caseplays disappear with no explanation (which is probably what Rich is talking about). Were they removed because they were no longer valid, or were they removed because of space considerations? "Ay there's the rub" (Hamlet', Act 3 Scene 3, Billy Shakespeare).

Just because a Casebook Play is not in the current Casebook does not invalidate it. Far too many officials take the attitude that if it isn't in the current Casebook is does not exist or is no longer valid which is 100% incorrect.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Just because a Casebook Play is not in the current Casebook does not invalidate it. Far too many officials take the attitude that if it isn't in the current Casebook is does not exist or is no longer valid which is 100% incorrect.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Some caseplays disappear with no explanation (which is probably what Rich is talking about). Were they removed because they were no longer valid, or were they removed because of space considerations? "Ay there's the rub" (Hamlet', Act 3 Scene 3, Billy Shakespeare).

If a casebook play is removed due to a rule change, or a new interpretation, then, of course, it's no longer valid.

If a casebook play is removed due to space considerations, then it's still valid.

Figuring out why the caseplay was removed, often with no explanation from the NFHS, is the hard part. "Ay there's the rub"

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Rich

I find it hilarious that people think Referee publishes this stuff without consulting or working with the NFHS.

I find it even more hilarious when a 46 year old case play is cited as evidence of anything.


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1) The last four pages of the Preseason Guide is strictly OhioHSAA produced and really has anything to do with NASO.

2) The NFHS dunking rule has never been changed such as to invalidate the 1971-72 Casebook Play.

MTD, Sr.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

1) The last four pages of the Preseason Guide is strictly OhioHSAA produced and really has anything to do with NASO.



2) The NFHS dunking rule has never been changed such as to invalidate the 1971-72 Casebook Play.



MTD, Sr.

So your bitch is with the OhioHSAA? I'm confused, I guess.


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