JV Games

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

There's a third category,those who are competent, content, and comfortable at that level.

Most varsity officials here will at least catch the third quarter, if not the first half, and most JV refs will ask if they saw anything.

Thanks for posting that Snags.....because thats me.....to a T.

When I got into this in my late 50's, I gave myself three years to make our state board (two years is quickest you can do it) as a varsity official.
Last year, (my 3rd) after achieving the required passing score on the written exam, getting passing scores on all my in season JV game evaluations (done by V refs), I failed the end of season floor test.

After giving it my best effort for three years (and not getting any younger) I
chose to just work JV.

Working for two assignors, I work 2-3 JV (B&G) per week in my area. I am not affiliated in any way with the state board. I'm a member of NASO, I order the current NFHS Rule Book and Case Book each year, take practice tests whenever I can get access to them, read Referee, watch NFHS on-line video and spend a lot of time here trying to learn and stay abreast with rules, case book plays, interps, philosophies, mechanics, etc.
Whenever I have the occasion to work a JV game with an official who's in the process of trying to make the state board I make sure that as their partner to make every effort to help them have a good game...especially if it's a game where they are being evaluated. Good pre-game, switching on fouls, communication during time outs, etc.etc. I won't offer up any advice...that's for the board refs assigned to the V game to do.

So while I failed in my quest to earn a state patch, I do know that I'm a better referee than I was three years ago when I first started and will continue to work hard to become better....for no other reason than my own sense of professionalism and what I feel I owe my assignors and the schools who pay me to work their JV games.

So yes, I'm a content, comfortable, and IMO competent JV referee (still with a lot to learn)......no matter what preconceived notion a board official sitting in the stands waiting to work the varsity game may have of an "old" guy working a JV game.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

. . . thats me.....to a T . . . I chose to just work JV. . . . I'm a member of NASO, I order the current NFHS Rule Book and Case Book each year, take practice tests whenever I can get access to them, read Referee, watch NFHS on-line video and spend a lot of time here trying to learn and stay abreast with rules, case book plays, interps, philosophies, mechanics, etc. I do know that I'm a better referee than I was three years ago when I first started and will continue to work hard to become better....for no other reason than my own sense of professionalism and what I feel I owe my assignors and the schools who pay me to work their JV games.

What a great point -- this third category!!! Yes, we do have a few somewhat like that, but not to the extent that you are.

[Welpe]

Are you talking about officials that work subvarsity games or those that only work subvarsity games?

I'm assuming the latter but figured I'd clarify.

[bowlingref]

I am 59 and really enjoy just reffing the games. The difference in varsity pay and j/v is $12.50 in my area. If I do a j/v game I am usually done and home no later than 8 pm. When I get the chance to do a 3 man crew on varsity,I usually get home between 10-30 to 11-00 pm. $12.50 is not worth the difference in time. Also if I get to do a "B" team double header that starts at 4 pm, that is even better. More money less travel and home early. Most of the fans have no clue wether you are a NCCA D 1 guy or local that works for the Humane Society. All they see is a striped shirt. As long as you get the calls right,the fans could care less.

[packersowner]

Long string here, this may have been said, but I think this is a touchy subject. Assuming you are a better official because you work the 7:00 game vs. the 5:30 game is poor judgement.

I work plenty of Varsity and sub-Varsity games - I appreciate feedback no matter which game I work. However, feedback should only be offered when asked for. I have a real problem when the Varsity crew starts offering unsolicited advice and then on the court and don't do some of the same things we just got done talking about.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by packersowner

Long string here, this may have been said, but I think this is a touchy subject. Assuming you are a better official because you work the 7:00 game vs. the 5:30 game is poor judgement.

It is, but I think we are living in a fantasy world if we think that most officials that are capable are working the lower level game just to get home quicker. I find that funny because a lot of guys like to be away from home and would like to go out drinking on a Friday or Saturday and not be home.

Originally Posted by packersowner

I work plenty of Varsity and sub-Varsity games - I appreciate feedback no matter which game I work. However, feedback should only be offered when asked for. I have a real problem when the Varsity crew starts offering unsolicited advice and then on the court and don't do some of the same things we just got done talking about.

And many do have a problem, but many do not ask for any feedback either. And many go on wondering why they never get varsity games.

Peace

[bowlingref]

A few years ago I would have went the beer drinking route and staying out with the guys. Now with all the DUI check points we have here in Va. drinking with the guys while driving home from a game or after the game almost guarantees you a nice set of braclets to wear to the county jail. Plus if you have a job and get home around 11 pm and back up by 5 am and then work all day and then another game that evening is kinda tiring.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bowlingref

all they see is a striped shirt. as long as you get the calls right, the fans could care less.

fify

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bowlingref

I am 59 and really enjoy just reffing the games. The difference in varsity pay and j/v is $12.50 in my area. If I do a j/v game I am usually done and home no later than 8 pm. When I get the chance to do a 3 man crew on varsity,I usually get home between 10-30 to 11-00 pm. $12.50 is not worth the difference in time. Also if I get to do a "B" team double header that starts at 4 pm, that is even better. More money less travel and home early. Most of the fans have no clue wether you are a NCCA D 1 guy or local that works for the Humane Society. All they see is a striped shirt. As long as you get the calls right,the fans could care less.

Varsity games take 2-3 hours up your way?

Down here the DHs go 5:30 & 7:00 (GV/BV for AAA; JV/V for AA). My 7:00 games are always done by 8:30. Once had a AAA BV in which we were back in the locker room at 8:10.

[ref2coach]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Varsity games take 2-3 hours up your way?

Our association requires arrival 1 hour before tip off for all varsity games. Many/most B/G double headers start first game at 6:30 then 20 minutes on the clock between games. So arrive at 5:30, end first game at 7:45, start second game ~8:05, end second game ~9:20.

JV B/G double header starting at 4:00. Arrive 3:40, tip at 4:00. 3 to 5 minute Half time with teams staying in team area. Game over by ~4:50. Boys game starts 5:00 done by ~5:50.

$5 less money, 2 hours and 5 minutes vs almost 4 hours.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Are you talking about officials that work subvarsity games or those that only work subvarsity games? I'm assuming the latter but figured I'd clarify.

Correct. I was referring to referees in reference to subvarsity games only. The original response to the OP came when I was fresh off watching the JV game prior to our V contest, somewhat frustrated over the situation before me that there was a category 1 matched with a category 2, as, due to numbers, commonly occurs in this area. As I serve in a role as a mentor to new officials, prepping them for their first contests, and following them up through the ranks, I find that I so often have to explain to the category 1 officials that they need to know how to do a good job on those occasions when they're matched with a category 2 official. The number of category 3 officials is minimal, and it sure would be good to have some assisting with the mentoring. When 1's are paired with 1's, it's a great thing. When 1's are matched with 2's, the 1's can get dispirited and so it is necessary to prepare them for this reality. I sure appreciate the responses to this thread which alerted me to the fact that I should really appreciate the category 3 officials when I run into them. In fact, with BillyMac as my personal role model, I hope to be one someday.
BTW - I accept every sub-varsity game that the assignor gives me. I like working with the category 1's, and I've won over a few category 2's along the way and treasure those opportunities to work with them to get them into the preferable category, either 1 or 3. Those who are in those categories usually consider this forum, in fact, a part of their course of getting better.

[bowlingref]

I was 49 when I got back into officiating. I also had veterans helping me and giving suggestions. Lots of help. One thing about the officiating deal is when the veterans suggest something to you. It is not a do as I do deal,it is a do as I say do deal. I go to several games a year with out the whistle and I see the guys that have been telling me what do, doing the same things or worse.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by bowlingref

I was 49 when I got back into officiating. I also had veterans helping me and giving suggestions. Lots of help. One thing about the officiating deal is when the veterans suggest something to you. It is not a do as I do deal,it is a do as I say do deal. I go to several games a year with out the whistle and I see the guys that have been telling me what do, doing the same things or worse.

Yep. Same here.