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Sat Oct 02, 2004, 09:29am
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How'd they go fellas?
We had a homecoming game, so of course that was a PITA. Two teams toward the bottom of the division, but in one of the toughest sub-regions in the state. 6-0 at half, but then the home team just took over and won 32-0. It really did seem the difference was coaching. I had to throw SIX flags last night. SIX!!! Two against the visitors, four against the home team... Three illegal formations (at one point only 10 on the field and 5 in the backfield, wowsa!), a hold, a IBB, and an OPI. I hated it because it makes you look flag happy, but sometimes the kids just do things they shouldn't... Did have a problem with two USC when the losing team was driving. They were at Bs 20. Penalty on B occured first. This occured after 1st and 10. Marked off 10 yards on B (1/2 distance) and they gained a first down. Then marked off 15 against A and gave them 1st and 10. We all came together to make sure we were on the same page. Try explaining to the offensive head coach (my sideline) why they're gaining a 1st down, but losing 5 yards on the field. Not easy. It was evident they didn't know the rules (suprise, suprise) as when we had illegal formation on the offense, but then DPI on them... they thought you couldn't have DPI on an illegal formation... This play wasn't used, but the home team says it's in their playbook. They run a play purposely with 10 players and he'll gain about two yards. An 11th player will enter the huddle when the RFP is blown, and one of the players will exit as if he's a substitute, but then they'll run the "hidden man" play. Of course, they do all get within 15 yards sometime after the RFP. I didn't like it, and neither did the umpire--we insisted it was unfair tactics. Our white hat insisted the play was legal. Your thoughts? 
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Sat Oct 02, 2004, 09:56am
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Hot and Muggy
It was 89*F, humidity 95%, no wind to start our game.
I lost 12 lbs during the game, of course I'm an Umpire so we usually have plenty in reserve. It seems the all Umpires retain fluid, that's why we ... Any way, to begin the 4th QTR, the home team was leading 8-7, the score held up until 4 minutes left in the game. Then all hell broke loose. It started with a late hit OOB, retaliation by an elbow to the side of the head, one player DQ'd. With 0:35 left on the clock the home team was positioned with a 1st and goal at B's 7. One of the Asst coaches (home team) asked the LJ "since he threw out the Tailback, and you know that will cost us this game, Do you have enough bxxxs to throw me out". "No coach, but this flag is one step closer." 15 yards-UC Head coach steps up and continues the conversation: 15 yards-UC. Since this was before the RFP, we moved the LOS 30 yards upfield and set the cahins, 1st & 10 from B's 37. Then the other coach wants an explaination, he had no TOs left. Of course he did not win the discussion. He was charged with a delay of game. Move the ball to B's 32, 1st & 5. Well, you know what happens next; he goes into a tirade about us costing him the game because of the stupid rules, and this crew is the most #&@)_&_& crew he has ever seen. Curses out the REF: 15 yards-UC. Move the ball to B's 17, 1st & 10. B jumps OS, move the ball to the 12, 1st & 5. The home team scored again to win the game. 22 points scored between both teams in the final 4 minutes of the game. It was reassuring to know that we had an escort from the stadium. Ain't Friday nights great?
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Sat Oct 02, 2004, 10:11am
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To SouthGARef: I would flag them for illegal participation. Rule reference is 9.6.4c:
ART. 4 . . . It is illegal participation: c. To use a player, replaced player or substitute in a substitution or pretended substitution to deceive opponents at or immediately before the snap or free kick. This would seem pretty easy to me as the coach is telling you they are going to try and deceive their opponent with a pretended substitution.
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Sat Oct 02, 2004, 12:52pm
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31-14. I was the WH -- I didn't throw a flag the entire second half and I had one the entire game (a holding call). A few ineligible receivers downfield, including one that brought back a TD. Nothing too exciting. just cold and far from the house (about 95 miles). --Rich
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Sat Oct 02, 2004, 02:24pm
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Sat Oct 02, 2004, 02:44pm
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9.6.4 SITUATION A: Several A substitutes enter the field between downs and go to the team's huddle, but one replaced player does not leave immediately and is not detected. However, when they break the huddle the replaced player runs toward his sideline and leaves the field just before the ball is snapped. RULING: An illegal participation foul if the official judges that A was using a replaced player or substitute in a substitution or pretended substitution to deceive the opponents. If not, it is illegal substitution. (3-7-2) COMMENT: It is becoming prevalent to see more than 11 players/replaced players in a team's huddle or in the defensive formation between downs. The replaced player is to leave the field immediately and in such a manner that it does not confuse or deceive the opponents. 9.6.4 SITUATION B: Following a kickoff return, A1 and A2 enter the field while A3, A4 and A5 move toward the sideline. A5 stops within 15 yards of the ball while A3 and A4 continue to the team box. The ball is snapped without a huddle and the quarterback throws a forward pass to A5, who has gone downfield as a wide receiver. RULING: This play is illegal because a pretended substitution is used to deceive the opponents. The penalty of 15 yards for the illegal participation foul will be administered from the previous spot since the foul occurred at the snap. (9-6-4c) Buy your white hat a case book!
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Sat Oct 02, 2004, 03:51pm
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Thanks for finding me the hard evidence. The next time we get together as a crew I'll make sure to show them that me and the Umpire were correct. I just knew it wasn't legal--was planning on looking at it this weekend.
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Sun Oct 03, 2004, 08:54am
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But what would you do if the coach hadn't told you about this play and just ran it. Say that the incoming player did nothing to indicate to the huddle who he is coming to replace. One player came in to give the team 11 players and one player left the huddle early. Is there really deception here? Probably. But how many times have you seen a team run a play with only 10 players? I've seen a few. I've even seen when that 11th player comes in on the next play that someone trys to leave thinking he'd been replaced. If they weren't yelling at the guy coming out to stay out there but he stops at the sideline then it would be a foul.
Sometime coaches think they are being tricky and ask us about plays like this so that we will know what is happening and be ready to rule properly on it but other times they just shoot themselves in the foot. Last year I had a coach say his QB would move away from the center trying to get the center to snap the ball in an attempt to get the defense to encroach. If he had never said that it was an attempt to use a shift or motion to cause the encroachment then I would have probably let it go but when he said what the intent of the play was then I had a problem with it. He never ran it so I didn't have to rule on it.
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Sun Oct 03, 2004, 09:01am
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Chances are that a head coach informs the officials about his "special plays" every game to see if a crew will allow them. He probably already knows that they are illegal. When the crew tells him that it is illegal, you will probably hear, "I've been running that play for 15 years and you are the first crew to tell me it's illegal
 ".Are some of these plays in Jane's Big Book of Coaching or something?
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