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Old Wed Jan 11, 2012, 11:36pm
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Player Raising His/Her Hand When They Commit a Foul

Was that ever an official rule or is it just something players did? If it was a rule when did it change?
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Old Wed Jan 11, 2012, 11:40pm
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I believe it was. At least I have heard some "old-timers" say that previously.

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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:04am
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I can guarantee failing to raise your hand on a personal foul was a technical foul in the 1973-74 season. Not sure before that--raising the hand may have been recommended previously, or maybe failure to raise in defiance could have been T'd--but for that one season at least, it was mandatory.

Went a long way in costing us a conference championship. Bad memory.

I believe it was the next season, when the rule and penalty were scrapped.
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 11:56am
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I can guarantee failing to raise your hand on a personal foul was a technical foul in the 1973-74 season.
I believe it was the next season, when the rule and penalty were scrapped.
I can guarantee that failing to raise your hand on a PF was a technical in the 1993-1994 season in IA. One of my best friends got Td up in a JV game for that offense. He thought the foul was on someone else and was listening to our coach give instructions and not paying attention to the official asking him twice to raise his hand. No third request came...whack!
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:31pm
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I can guarantee that failing to raise your hand on a PF was a technical in the 1993-1994 season in IA. One of my best friends got Td up in a JV game for that offense. He thought the foul was on someone else and was listening to our coach give instructions and not paying attention to the official asking him twice to raise his hand. No third request came...whack!
Probably Iowa's rule. Would not have been a NFHS rule in '94.
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:33pm
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We had a kid raise his hand on Tuesday night to try to draw a fifth foul away from a teammate. Didn't work.
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:52pm
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Probably Iowa's rule. Would not have been a NFHS rule in '94.
No it wasn't. It was a phantom rule, only enforced by relic officials who never bothered to read about rule changes.
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I can guarantee that failing to raise your hand on a PF was a technical in the 1993-1994 season in IA. One of my best friends got Td up in a JV game for that offense. He thought the foul was on someone else and was listening to our coach give instructions and not paying attention to the official asking him twice to raise his hand. No third request came...whack!

If Iowa was using NFHS Rules back then, then your friend should not have received a TF because the "raise the hand" requirement had been removed many years before that.

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Old Sun Jan 15, 2012, 11:54am
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If Iowa was using NFHS Rules back then, then your friend should not have received a TF because the "raise the hand" requirement had been removed many years before that.

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That was the first year I started officiating (in college), and it was not a part of the IHSAA or the IGHSAU adaptations.

I do, however, recall being warned when I played (late 80s early 90s) that if an official asked you to raise your hand, you were better off doing it regardless of what the actual rule said.

Sort of like officials enforcing the old lack of action (or whatever it was called) rule long after it disappeared from the book.
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If Iowa was using NFHS Rules back then, then your friend should not have received a TF because the "raise the hand" requirement had been removed many years before that.

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I guess it is not a correctable error at this point.
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Was that ever an official rule or is it just something players did? If it was a rule when did it change?
There's two things that go when you get old: memory, . . . and I can't remember what the other thing is. Anyway . . .

Hand up after official's birddog that a foul was committed was still a rule back when I started back in '76, back in the college days. The only trouble we had then was when players would put a hand up and then swipe it down in an unsportsmanlike fashion. Usually good for at least one T late in each game. Not sure if it was a state thing or Fed thing back then. Must've changed sometime after that because it wasn't by rule a requirement later when I then resumed activity in the coaching ranks. Of course, those old days still had real jump balls -- oops, sorry, I know that's a sensitive subject with some.
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Yes, it was a rule...good and well before my time. I believe it was a technical foul if a player did not raise their hand in a timely matter.

Honestly, I have to wonder what in the hell the rules makers were thinking with that one.
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Yes, it was a rule...good and well before my time. I believe it was a technical foul if a player did not raise their hand in a timely matter.

Honestly, I have to wonder what in the hell the rules makers were thinking with that one.
I do remember when players did that and honestly it seemed to squelch any complaining. Maybe that was not the case as the rule went away, but players did seem to accept an official's call more than they do now.

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Honestly, I have to wonder what in the hell the rules makers were thinking with that one.
Did the officials report the fouls, too, back then?
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Old Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:24am
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Did the officials report the fouls, too, back then?
Yes. The raised hand was supposed to assist the scorekeeper with confirmation of who committed the foul.

Furthermore, as an indication of how things changed since then, there was a lot more "Yep, I did it" kinda attitude common with players back then. Hardly ever did we have to tell a player to raise his/her hand. When the birddog nailed them, they most normally fessed up, the hand was raised and lowered, the foul was reported, and life went on.
Usually followed soon by a jump ball.
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