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Flagrant/Intentional
I always enjoy reading this board and don't post much because I'm not an official, but do love to read and learn from the people here. This play was discussed at a recent game I was helping at the table for and the video was posted on youtube so that I could see it and I'd be interested to get your opinions on it.
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I guess it depends if you consider the ball handler to throw a punch. But there was some contact before that, so based on the angle I cannot say that was the case with confidence. The angle was bad and it would help to know what the officials ruled as well. If the player threw a punch then it is flagrant, but with the contact before that I am not completely sure of that.
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The play was called either an intentional or a technical, I heard the story 2nd hand from people who aren't officials and couldn't tell me for sure and this is the only video I have from the game (Not my schools game, or I'd try to get more video or the book to find out) I can see an official signal a T in the video, but then there was a discussion so I don't know if it was changed.
I do know that no foul was called on the defensive player before the shove and the player was not disqualified on the play. |
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What does the contact beforehand have to do with the punch?
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I agree that we can't be sure from the angle. But it LOOKS like she takes her left hand off the ball so that she can throw the elbow into the opponent's face. If that's what she did, then definitely flagrant in NFHS and Flagrant 2 in NCAA.
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I cannot tell if this is a "get off me" shove or a full out punch to the chest of face. Peace
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My Opinion ...
Flagrant personal foul charged to White 24. Two free throws for Blue 24. Blue gets the ball back at the spot closest to the foul. White 24 "ejected" to the bench.
I could also understand an intentional foul here, but that wouldn't be my call. No technical foul here because all the contact was during a live ball.
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At the table I give the "thumb" signal like you used to see from really old-time baseball umpires. Peace
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