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I guess it depends if you consider the ball handler to throw a punch. But there was some contact before that, so based on the angle I cannot say that was the case with confidence. The angle was bad and it would help to know what the officials ruled as well. If the player threw a punch then it is flagrant, but with the contact before that I am not completely sure of that.
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The play was called either an intentional or a technical, I heard the story 2nd hand from people who aren't officials and couldn't tell me for sure and this is the only video I have from the game (Not my schools game, or I'd try to get more video or the book to find out) I can see an official signal a T in the video, but then there was a discussion so I don't know if it was changed.
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I cannot tell if this is a "get off me" shove or a full out punch to the chest of face. Peace
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Flagrant personal foul charged to White 24. Two free throws for Blue 24. Blue gets the ball back at the spot closest to the foul. White 24 "ejected" to the bench.
I could also understand an intentional foul here, but that wouldn't be my call. No technical foul here because all the contact was during a live ball.
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Intentional Personal Foul ...
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without any doubt in my mind....that is a flagrant foul (NFHS) or flagrant 2 (NCAA). Player ejected; 2 FT's for defense; ball put in at mid-court (NFHS) or ball put in at spot nearest foul (NCAA).
I would go to my partner (as the calling official did), tell them what I have, and ONLY change my call if they they me they saw the play and STRONGLY disagreed. |
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Unless you can tell me why I'm wrong, this throw in should be at the spot nearest the foul in NFHS.
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1. Call the foul as the official did, but not signal a T (one thing this cannot be). 2. Given that we have a strange situation that's potentially volatile (esp. if it had been boys), I'm immediately sending both teams toward their benches. 3. Then I can talk to my partners and talk through whether I want to go INT or flagrant on this. 4. Next I report the foul to the table: white, 24, intentional/flagrant foul, (24 is disqualified if flagrant); I use the football DQ signal (thumb back over your shoulder) for a DQ. 5. We just don't have many of these fouls in the leagues I work: I would get the coaches together in front of the table, tell them what I saw, and why I decided to go intentional or flagrant. I'll answer a reasonable question or two, but it's not a debate. 6. I might also tell them (esp. if it had been boys) that we have addressed the problem, and we won't have any retaliation later in the game. 7. Shoot FT's with the lane cleared, give the ball to the fouled team at the spot, and play on.
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I believe...
...you cross your forearms over your head and then bring them down in front of you. There's no official mechanic for ejection, but the hitchhiker's thumb is pretty universal.
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Not Apporved For NFHS, Or IAABO ...
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