Flagrant/Intentional

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What doe the contact beforehand have to do with the punch?

Was the player trying to forcefully get away. It is hard to see that as the defender did seem to either grab the arm or the ball.

Peace

[Scrapper1]

I agree that we can't be sure from the angle. But it LOOKS like she takes her left hand off the ball so that she can throw the elbow into the opponent's face. If that's what she did, then definitely flagrant in NFHS and Flagrant 2 in NCAA.

[eyezen]

Well one thing for sure its not a technical like the official signaled.

[Adam]

Looks like a punch to me, but the angle isn't the greatest and it's hard to tell for sure that it wasn't just a quick shove.

It looks like the official gives the T signal (wrong by mechanic, but not necessarily indicative of the final call since there's no specific signal for a flagrant personal foul), so I'm assuming he went with a flagrant.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Cav0

I always enjoy reading this board and don't post much because I'm not an official, but do love to read and learn from the people here. This play was discussed at a recent game I was helping at the table for and the video was posted on youtube so that I could see it and I'd be interested to get your opinions on it.

Easiest flagrant ever. See ya sista.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Easiest flagrant ever. See ya sista.

Ooh, I have a prediction. Let's see if it comes true.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Here is what I saw on the video.

It appeared the B-24 made illegal contact with her right hand on W-24's left arm and the covering official did not consider the contact a foul. W-24 then punched B-24 in her face with her left hand. Since the ball was Live, when W-24 punched B-24, the foul is a PF and since it was a punch it was a FPF and W-24 should have been disqualified from the game. The covering official incorrectly signaled a TF.

But if the covering official intended to call a PF on B-24 but did not have time to react to B-24's PF against W-24 then W-24's contact was a FTF because her contact was made when the ball was Dead, and we now have FDF.

On a side note, in what state was this game played. I dig the gray officiating shirts.

MTD, Sr.

[Cav0]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

On a side note, in what state was this game played. I dig the gray officiating shirts.

MTD, Sr.

The game was played in Texas, most chapters around here have gone to the gray shirts for varsity games and even a good bit of the subvarsity games as well.

Thanks for the good discussion everyone, if I get to talk to the coach of either team in later games (my school does play both schools later on) I'll see if I can find out anymore information. Again, thanks for all the talk and info on this video and other that come up on this site.