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Old Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:43pm
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Without slowing it down, I can't tell if the gather is with his foot on the floor or in the air. If it's in the air, it's legal. If it's on the floor, it's legal. Since I can't tell in real speed, I'd let it go.
I agree , the main point I take away from discussing this move with many officials is : It is very difficult to tell if one foot is on the floor when the dribble ends (i.e. ball gathered). If the ball is gathered with both feet off the floor then you do not have to land 2 feet simultneously and you can pivot.

After watching many college games it is almost unheard of for this move to be called a travel. The best officials are not going to call travel on this play for 2 reasons: a) impossible to tell if one foot is on floor when ball gathered or b) difficult to tell if feet landed simultaneously

You will not see this called in the NCAA Sweet 16 games this weekend and it will happen 10 times in every game. Peyton Siva from Louisville does it every time he goes into lane.

These officials that are calling these games understand that you do not make travel calls when you are not close to 100% sure. Better to miss a travel than to call one that isn't there.
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Old Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:42pm
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It is very difficult to tell if one foot is on the floor when the dribble ends.

This is a huge deal. Forget about jump stops. If we could absolutely tell when the dribble ended, probably 75% of layups could be called a travel. And this cycle continues to spin. The more that is given, the more the players take, and the more that is not called at higher levels, the more it is expected (by some) to trickle down.
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Old Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:59pm
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Hence why it is a good idea to not guess. Let's shoot the big fish and leave the guppies alone.
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Old Thu Mar 22, 2012, 10:23am
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This is a huge deal. Forget about jump stops. If we could absolutely tell when the dribble ended, probably 75% of layups could be called a travel. And this cycle continues to spin. The more that is given, the more the players take, and the more that is not called at higher levels, the more it is expected (by some) to trickle down.
Absolutely, The skills that players do in games have changed over the years from the crossover, Euro step, use of jump stop, step back jumper, or use of hesitation move. Players are being drilled on these moves all the time(just go to a skills camp) and they watch NBA or D1 players do them.

A really skilled player will push the rules to the limit and test the referees abilities. I think its great and most moves are in the within the rules. Lets face it the fans love to watch skilled players whether it is a step back jumper like by Kemba Walker , cross over by Steve Nash, or Euro step by Dwayne Wade.

In my opinion, I think NCAA Div. I or NBA officials embrace these skilled moves and understand them to the core and do not fight against them.
Just like this move in the video, he did not land simultaneously( but do they ever land absolutely simultaneously think about it? Did he gather with one foot on floor?

Now some things need to be cleaned up, like the Rivers kid from Duke shuffling his feet
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