Jump stop then pivot...Travel?

[Welpe]

Agree with APG. In real time I probably have nothing.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Agree with APG. In real time I probably have nothing.

Concur, any doubt = no call.

[ballgame99]

You think that would be picky? That move is one of my pet peeves, that's the "crab dribble" that LaBron is so fond of. Although this one is not as pronounced as some I've seen. Granted that first angle it is tough because there are some other legs in the way, but from L I would hope I would have a good look at the little gallop he gets in there. As long as we agree this is technically a travel I'm happy.

[APG]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

You think that would be picky? That move is one of my pet peeves, that's the "crab dribble" that LaBron is so fond of. Although this one is not as pronounced as some I've seen. Granted that first angle it is tough because there are some other legs in the way, but from L I would hope I would have a good look at the little gallop he gets in there. As long as we agree this is technically a travel I'm happy.

Just so you know, this is a completely legal play under NBA rules...slow motion or otherwise.

Also, it's "LeBron" rather than LaBron

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

It's "LeBron" rather than LaBron.

It's been forty years since I took high school French. I believe that the noun, "Bron", takes the masculine article, "Le", rather than the feminine article, "La".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

You think that would be picky? That move is one of my pet peeves, that's the "crab dribble" that LaBron is so fond of. Although this one is not as pronounced as some I've seen. Granted that first angle it is tough because there are some other legs in the way, but from L I would hope I would have a good look at the little gallop he gets in there. As long as we agree this is technically a travel I'm happy.

Without slowing it down, I can't tell if the gather is with his foot on the floor or in the air. If it's in the air, it's legal. If it's on the floor, it's not legal. Since I can't tell in real speed, I'd let it go.

[jump stop]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Without slowing it down, I can't tell if the gather is with his foot on the floor or in the air. If it's in the air, it's legal. If it's on the floor, it's legal. Since I can't tell in real speed, I'd let it go.

I agree , the main point I take away from discussing this move with many officials is : It is very difficult to tell if one foot is on the floor when the dribble ends (i.e. ball gathered). If the ball is gathered with both feet off the floor then you do not have to land 2 feet simultneously and you can pivot.

After watching many college games it is almost unheard of for this move to be called a travel. The best officials are not going to call travel on this play for 2 reasons: a) impossible to tell if one foot is on floor when ball gathered or b) difficult to tell if feet landed simultaneously

You will not see this called in the NCAA Sweet 16 games this weekend and it will happen 10 times in every game. Peyton Siva from Louisville does it every time he goes into lane.

These officials that are calling these games understand that you do not make travel calls when you are not close to 100% sure. Better to miss a travel than to call one that isn't there.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by jump stop

It is very difficult to tell if one foot is on the floor when the dribble ends.

This is a huge deal. Forget about jump stops. If we could absolutely tell when the dribble ended, probably 75% of layups could be called a travel. And this cycle continues to spin. The more that is given, the more the players take, and the more that is not called at higher levels, the more it is expected (by some) to trickle down.

[Welpe]

Hence why it is a good idea to not guess. Let's shoot the big fish and leave the guppies alone.

[jump stop]

Originally Posted by just another ref

This is a huge deal. Forget about jump stops. If we could absolutely tell when the dribble ended, probably 75% of layups could be called a travel. And this cycle continues to spin. The more that is given, the more the players take, and the more that is not called at higher levels, the more it is expected (by some) to trickle down.

Absolutely, The skills that players do in games have changed over the years from the crossover, Euro step, use of jump stop, step back jumper, or use of hesitation move. Players are being drilled on these moves all the time(just go to a skills camp) and they watch NBA or D1 players do them.

A really skilled player will push the rules to the limit and test the referees abilities. I think its great and most moves are in the within the rules. Lets face it the fans love to watch skilled players whether it is a step back jumper like by Kemba Walker , cross over by Steve Nash, or Euro step by Dwayne Wade.

In my opinion, I think NCAA Div. I or NBA officials embrace these skilled moves and understand them to the core and do not fight against them.
Just like this move in the video, he did not land simultaneously( but do they ever land absolutely simultaneously think about it? Did he gather with one foot on floor?

Now some things need to be cleaned up, like the Rivers kid from Duke shuffling his feet

[Camron Rust]

Another agree (with APG and Welpe)....slow-mo, it is a travel. Live speed, probably too close to call.