Jump stop then pivot...Travel?

[The R]

I found myself in the middle of a rules clinic following a game yesterday. The coach was concerned that we were calling a travel when his players jump stopped then pivot.
He was under the impression that many coaching/training videos instruct you do this.
Here are some examples of what he was talking about.
Hoop Group Skills Drill of the Week- Jump Stop/ Pivot/ Pass - YouTube

It seems the key that the players and coach are missing is the point where the ball is gathered. During the game they were gathering the ball with a foot on the floor, jumping off that foot, landing on both feet simultaneously, then creating a pivot.

If while they were still dribbling when they jumped in the air, then gathered the ball, followed by landing on both feet simultaneously, then they could legally create a pivot. Correct?

What do you think about the moves in the video? Legal or no?

[APG]

[APG]

Those plays in the video all look good to me.

[The R]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Those plays in the video all look good to me.

AllPurp because the dribble doesn't stop while either player has a foot on the floor?

The dribble is ending with both feet off the floor and then they land on both feet, right?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by The R

AllPurp because the dribble doesn't stop while either player has a foot on the floor?

The dribble is ending with both feet off the floor and then they land on both feet, right?

That's how I'm seeing the video.

You're correct about jumping off a foot after gathering the ball. 4-44-2-a-3

[APG]

Originally Posted by The R

AllPurp because the dribble doesn't stop while either player has a foot on the floor?

The dribble is ending with both feet off the floor and then they land on both feet, right?

Yes, that's how I see it. In fact, that's the form of the jump stop I see most often...the player gathering while airborne.

[Rob1968]

The video is not demonstrating a "jump-stop." It is demonstrating "coming to a stop on both feet." Each instance in the video is performed by gather ing the ball while in the air, and then coming to a stop on both feet, and then pivoting, which is legal - (4-44-2-a-1.)
If it were a true "jump-stop", then a pivot would be illegal. A true "jump-stop" is performed by gathering the ball while in the air, landing on one foot, and then proceeding to both feet, simultaneously - (4-44-2-a-3.) (And if anyone is counting, a subsequent travel constitutes four steps, or contact points with a foot and the floor.)
Some will include in the definition/description of a "jump-stop", 4-44-2-b, which seems to more apply to gathering the ball while stationary, and on one foot, and then jumping off that foot and simultaneously landing on both feet.
Both 4-44-2-a and b, conclude with the statement: "Neither foot can (legally) be a pivot foot."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by hoopmaster24

That is not considered a travel for most basketball leagues in most places

And why not?

I agree, but only because it's hard to tell when he gathers. It's close enough that your statement here is less than true.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by hoopmaster24

That is not considered a travel for most basketball leagues in most places

By rule it is most definitely a travel. The problem is determining that he gathered with his foot on the ground which is often difficult to do at real speed.