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Jump stop then pivot...Travel?
I found myself in the middle of a rules clinic following a game yesterday. The coach was concerned that we were calling a travel when his players jump stopped then pivot.
He was under the impression that many coaching/training videos instruct you do this. Here are some examples of what he was talking about. Hoop Group Skills Drill of the Week- Jump Stop/ Pivot/ Pass - YouTube It seems the key that the players and coach are missing is the point where the ball is gathered. During the game they were gathering the ball with a foot on the floor, jumping off that foot, landing on both feet simultaneously, then creating a pivot. If while they were still dribbling when they jumped in the air, then gathered the ball, followed by landing on both feet simultaneously, then they could legally create a pivot. Correct? What do you think about the moves in the video? Legal or no? |
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Those plays in the video all look good to me.
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AllPurp because the dribble doesn't stop while either player has a foot on the floor?
The dribble is ending with both feet off the floor and then they land on both feet, right? |
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Yes, that's how I see it. In fact, that's the form of the jump stop I see most often...the player gathering while airborne.
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Mistaken terminology
The video is not demonstrating a "jump-stop." It is demonstrating "coming to a stop on both feet." Each instance in the video is performed by gather ing the ball while in the air, and then coming to a stop on both feet, and then pivoting, which is legal - (4-44-2-a-1.)
If it were a true "jump-stop", then a pivot would be illegal. A true "jump-stop" is performed by gathering the ball while in the air, landing on one foot, and then proceeding to both feet, simultaneously - (4-44-2-a-3.) (And if anyone is counting, a subsequent travel constitutes four steps, or contact points with a foot and the floor.) Some will include in the definition/description of a "jump-stop", 4-44-2-b, which seems to more apply to gathering the ball while stationary, and on one foot, and then jumping off that foot and simultaneously landing on both feet. Both 4-44-2-a and b, conclude with the statement: "Neither foot can (legally) be a pivot foot."
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NCAA defines it as either (or both) of the above. So, either way, when a coach (or parent) asks, "Can a player pivot after a jump stop?" the answer should be, "It depends." |
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Unfortunately, some of the self-appointed instructors on the internet assign names to actions that are poor and/or incomplete/incorrect use of existent terms.
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I agree. Please, see Post #9.
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I have tried to study the jump stop extensively (hence my name) as I teach it to young kids. The smaller girl in the video comes much closer to "gathering or catching " the ball with one foot on floor than the taller girl. In fact at 2:14 and 2:45 you could make an agrument that one foot is on floor as she gathers.
With that being said, at full speed it is impossible to tell, only if I pause it can I determine. My point is unless it is blatently obvious that one foot was on the floor while gathering the ball you can't be for sure if it is a travel in this case. I even made a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Nvnsy3Ivw Last edited by jump stop; Sun Jan 15, 2012 at 02:29pm. |
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What if feet don't land simultaneously when ball is gathered on one foot and then the jump?
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