Discussed in an association meeting last night...

[tref]

So basically your partner better get it & get it right?

Sneaking a peak doesnt take very long to do, 2 or 3 whistle system. Get a look at those feet & get back to your matchups.

The first time your partner marks an attempted 3 in the 1st half & the defensive teams coach goes off on you, "he's on the line!!" And you cant provide any help, I think you'll change your thought process on assisting with shots.

They hired a crew of 2 & if he dont look good, I dont look good...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

So basically your partner better get it & get it right?

Sneaking a peak doesnt take very long to do, 2 or 3 whistle system. Get a look at those feet & get back to your matchups.

The first time your partner marks an attempted 3 in the 1st half & the defensive teams coach goes off on you, "he's on the line!!" And you cant provide any help, I think you'll change your thought process on assisting with shots.

They hired a crew of 2 & if he dont look good, I dont look good...

We can't sneak a peak every time. And a coach working me by saying "his foot was on the line" is not the reason to change how you are officiating. Why would you trust the coach's rantings over your partner's judgement?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by badnewsref

we can't sneak a peak every time. And a coach working me by saying "his foot was on the line" is not the reason to change how you are officiating. Why would you trust the coach's rantings over your partner's judgement?

+1

[Rich]

I met the official from the OP of this thread. He was working the JV game ahead of my varsity game tonight.

Nobody to this day had told him they got this wrong on the floor and that the varsity officials also got this wrong. I made sure I told him and told him exactly where he can find the rule, etc. Whether he believes me over the two from Tuesday that told him he was right, I don't know.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by tref

Sneaking a peak doesnt take very long to do, 2 or 3 whistle system. Get a look at those feet & get back to your matchups.

The first time your partner marks an attempted 3 in the 1st half & the defensive teams coach goes off on you, "he's on the line!!" And you cant provide any help, I think you'll change your thought process on assisting with shots.

That's ridiculous. Does this pertain to all calls or just the 3-point line? Should I also make sure I double-check my partner's OOB lines? I can't get a good look at all 3-point shots - and I'm definitely not going to be sneaking a peak if I'm busy looking at my primary and other players. I have to trust my partner to do their job as much as they need to trust me to do mine.

[tref]

I guess it could be "ridiculous" depending on the level one currently works & the quality of camps they attend. Many officials who dont camp anymore or just attend local HS camps (giving out last decades information) have this thought process.

Nobody said every 3 point attempt...

The correct point value is far more important than an OOB call

99s are good PCA guys, Rs know whats going on in the GAME!

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by tref

I guess it could be "ridiculous" depending on the level one currently works & the quality of camps they attend. Many officials who dont camp anymore or just attend local HS camps (giving out last decades information) have this thought process.

Nobody said every 3 point attempt...

The correct point value is far more important than an OOB call

99s are good PCA guys, Rs know whats going on in the GAME!

Ahh the old "if I went to a college camp I'm better than you" card. You certainly implied all 3-pt attempts.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Ahh the old "if I went to a college camp I'm better than you" card. You certainly implied all 3-pt attempts.

Negative sir... sounds like the ol "damn, how did he know" retort.

Didnt mean to imply that, it all depends on who I'm working with & their position on the court.
Does a partners eyes follow the flight of the ball on shot attempts?
Does a partner position adjust on shot attempts?

The answers to those questions tells me how often to sneak a peak or if I even need to referee my 3rd & beyond.

Lets keep it real, all of us arent in this for the same thing & some of us aren't as skilled as others. I'm not letting the team crash & burn when I'm with a check collector or a ball watcher or a guy wearing the uniform who shouldn't be.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tref

Negative sir... sounds like the ol "damn, how did he know" retort.

Didnt mean to imply that, it all depends on who I'm working with & their position on the court.
Does a partners eyes follow the flight of the ball on shot attempts?
Does a partner position adjust on shot attempts?

The answers to those questions tells me how often to sneak a peak or if I even need to referee my 3rd & beyond.

Lets keep it real, all of us arent in this for the same thing & some of us aren't as skilled as others. I'm not letting the team crash & burn when I'm with a check collector or a ball watcher or a guy wearing the uniform who shouldn't be.

It's nights like those where you know you're being less effective cause you have to work your game and a big percentage of someone else's.

I filled in with a guy I never met last year. His eyes never left the ball. I caught this on the first halfcourt set. I found myself working off-ball even when the ball was in my primary. I was very uncomfortable all night.

It's why I'm happy that we have "regular" partners here and I work a large portion of my games with the same 2-3 people.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

I guess it could be "ridiculous" depending on the level one currently works & the quality of camps they attend. Many officials who dont camp anymore or just attend local HS camps (giving out last decades information) have this thought process.

Nobody said every 3 point attempt...

The correct point value is far more important than an OOB call

99s are good PCA guys, Rs know whats going on in the GAME!

I've attended some very high quality camps and I still don't peek at a whole bunch of possible 3's taken outside of my PCA. I know which types of situations may need my help and which don't.

And even so I still always know what's going on in my games.

And I think maybe you should lose this "99" reference you use frequently. Kind of insulting, demeaning, and arrogant to officials who don't agree with everyone of your philosophies.

Based on your posting history I surmise you are being exposed to a lot of pro philosophy (NBA/D-League/semi-pros). But the philosophies and teachings for those leagues don't always translate to college and high school ball.

Just MHO.

[Welpe]

I know I've asked this before...what's a 99?

For what it's worth, one of the most highly regarded camps in this area is high school oriented I don't know if that necessarily speaks to the quality of the ball here but you are a nobody in the chapter until you've gone to one of these camps.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by tref

I guess it could be "ridiculous" depending on the level one currently works & the quality of camps they attend. Many officials who dont camp anymore or just attend local HS camps (giving out last decades information) have this thought process.

Originally Posted by tref

Come on Snaqs, the largest part of my schedule is HS games. Lets not go there.

You opened that door. And I got the same message from it as Snaqs did.

[Welpe]

Make no mistake, this camp is not one of those run of the mill camps that is put on by some regional assigner to work his games. It is run by one of the mostly highly regarded clinicians in Texas.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Make no mistake, this camp is not one of those run of the mill camps that is put on by some regional assigner to work his games. It is run by one of the mostly highly regarded clinicians in Texas.

I've heard it was a great camp but they arent giving out old information either.
Sometimes we paraphrase to make statements mean what we want them to mean.
HS camps in general are not a bad thing, HS camps that arent current is another story...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tref

I guess it could be "ridiculous" depending on the level one currently works & the quality of camps they attend. Many officials who dont camp anymore or just attend local HS camps (giving out last decades information) have this thought process.

You do realized that, for the most part, those upper level camps are largely just distributing last decade's information in a new package.

It is the people that are not going to camps that are really the ones that are probably missing out.