Discussed in an association meeting last night...

[tref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I would add: (a) partner should be watching the release of the shot, to have an opinion about whether it beat the horn; focusing on the foot is the wrong place. (b) partner should be 100% sure that the foot was WAY over the line; a toenail is not enough to "fix" this.

Way over? On the line is 2... as long as it shows up on the game film.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Yes.... and (getting real "technical" here)?

The coach sits for the rest of the game?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by tref

Way over? On the line is 2... as long as it shows up on the game film.

In a JV game? With 2 officials? How good a look do you think partner got?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by zm1283

The coach sits for the rest of the game?

Yes... annnd?

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Yes... annnd?

Add a foul to the team foul count of the home team?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Since the shot was counted as two points, the game is tied at the end of regulation, so you will be playing OT.

OT starts with two FTs for the visitors with the lane cleared, followed by a division line throw in. Home gets the AP arrow.

Sorry Rich.

That's fine. That's the rule which is really easy (if you know the rule). If the 4th quarter ends and the score is tied, anything subsequent is part of OT. If the score isn't tied, the technical is part of the fourth quarter (since there is no overtime without a tied score) and FTs are shot if they can affect who wins (or ties) the game.

Some of this stuff comes pretty easy to those of us who have experience and know the rules, but it's just a reminder that a lot of games are worked with 2 first year officials (for example) and reflexive rule knowledge isn't quite there yet.

Of course if the official did ask the varsity officials and they gave the wrong answer (I wasn't there), shame on them.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by mbyron

In a JV game? With 2 officials? How good a look do you think partner got?

The same look we'd get in a 2-person varsity game, which probably 60% of my games are. Probably not one I'd touch *unless* it's an elephant on the court. My partners know though that I wouldn't come unless I absolutely had to.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mbyron

In a JV game? With 2 officials? How good a look do you think partner got?

Depends on where the shot was taken from. (where's mr. grammar guy?)

If it was near the FT line extended on L's side, both would have a look.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Add a foul to the team foul count of the home team?

Bingo.

Extension of the fourth quarter.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The same look we'd get in a 2-person varsity game, which probably 60% of my games are. Probably not one I'd touch *unless* it's an elephant on the court. My partners know though that I wouldn't come unless I absolutely had to.

Yeah, I agree. I have only given information to another official unsolicited once this year, and that was on an OOB call. It was a 3-person game and I was the Center. The ball got deflected and went OOB on my side of the lane on the endline, and I was positive about who caused it to go OOB. The Lead called it differently, so I just went to him and asked him how sure he was. He said he wasn't as sure as he would like to be, so I gave him what I had and he changed it.

I can see giving info on a 3-point shot if you're sure though. It is usually one in the gray area around the FT line extended. Lead marks the shot and Trail sees a foot on the line.

[Toren]

In the OP, the score was tied, then the coach got a technical, which should have been the start of OT. Seems pretty straight forward.

What if during the conference between the two officials, the coach had gotten a technical? Am I right in thinking that is still part of the 4th quarter? Since the error had not been corrected yet?

[bainsey]

Rich,

Was there any clarity as to which official (lead/trail) called the three and which insisted he was on the line? We're taught to handle these things differently, whether it's the lead or trail that initially signals.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Rich,

Was there any clarity as to which official (lead/trail) called the three and which insisted he was on the line? We're taught to handle these things differently, whether it's the lead or trail that initially signals.

I'm curious as to why this would make a difference.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm curious as to why this would make a difference.

Agree....a foot on the line is a foot on the line. The standard I go by is that if either officials sees a foot on the line, it is a 2 and they should stop play and indicate that it is a 2....and whether it is 2-person or 3-person mechanics, there will always be an area where both will be taking a look at the shot. If that were not the case, you'd have areas where neither were looking at the shot.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm curious as to why this would make a difference.

Visualization, mostly. You mentioned before, Bob, the one area of the floor where both could get a good look at the shooter. Otherwise, wouldn't we have a simple case of ball watching?