Back court violation?

[bob jenkins]

Same ruling in NCAA (but the reference will be slightly different).

Who (what level) were these "fellow officials" who gave "different answers?" Anyone working even freshman HS ball should know the answer, and while I can see one official in a group perhaps not knowing, there should be enough of a consensus to make the correct call obvious.

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Same ruling in NCAA (but the reference will be slightly different).

Who (what level) were these "fellow officials" who gave "different answers?" Anyone working even freshman HS ball should know the answer, and while I can see one official in a group perhaps not knowing, there should be enough of a consensus to make the correct call obvious.

Bob, I thought this play was different for NCAA. Was it changed recently ( as in last couple years)?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Bob, I thought this play was different for NCAA. Was it changed recently ( as in last couple years)?

No difference as long as I can remember. Bob may have a different answer.

My guess is some of the officials asked by the OP were confused by the new team control rule and simply over thought the rule.

People seem to think the new rule means there's now a violation on this, but there was always team control and FC status when the player caught the ball in the air, but the exception has always been in place.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No difference as long as I can remember. Bob may have a different answer.

Not this time.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not this time.

ouch

[BayStateRef]

NCAA Rule 4-3-8
After a jump ball or during a throw-in, the player in his/her front court, who makes the initial touch on the ball while both feet are off the playing court, may be the first to secure control of the ball and land with one or both feet in the back court. It makes no difference if the first foot down was in the front court or back court.

A.R. 232.
The ball is at A1's disposal for a throw-in. A1 passes the ball to A2, who catches the ball while airborne in his or her front court. A2 lands with one foot in his or her front court followed with the other foot landing in his or her back court.
RULING: Legal play. A player shall be permitted to first secure control of the ball after a throw-in, while both feet are off the playing court in his or her front court, and land with one foot or both feet in the back court.

[Art N]

A twist on the OP....IF B1 touches the ball on the throw in by A, the throw in ends thus ending the exception mentioned and now you would have a BC violation. I believe this one was on the refresher test this year.

I have yet to figure out the "logic" in that. It just doesn't seem the touching by B should remove the exception.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Art N

A twist on the OP....IF B1 touches the ball on the throw in by A, the throw in ends thus ending the exception mentioned and now you would have a BC violation. I believe this one was on the refresher test this year.

I have yet to figure out the "logic" in that. It just doesn't seem the touching by B should remove the exception.

I agree, and there was a long debate here a few years ago before they clarified this aspect. Some of us thought the exception should apply to any player whose team was not in control. Others did not. The Others were right, in the end.

That's why I'm not willing to apply case plays to situations that have a fundamental difference, no matter how similar they may seem.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I agree, and there was a long debate here a few years ago before they clarified this aspect. Some of us thought the exception should apply to any player whose team was not in control. Others did not. The Others were right, in the end.

That's why I'm not willing to apply case plays to situations that have a fundamental difference, no matter how similar they may seem.

Well, they may now have an interpretation that supports their point-of-view, but that doesn't make them right!

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I agree, and there was a long debate here a few years ago before they clarified this aspect. Some of us thought the exception should apply to any player whose team was not in control. Others did not. The Others were right, in the end.

That's why I'm not willing to apply case plays to situations that have a fundamental difference, no matter how similar they may seem.

That was my post
Throw-in/Backcourt violation?