Held Ball on the Throw-in

[jhc2010]

Team A has a throw-in. A1 reaches the ball through the plane and B1 grabs the ball and ties it up. Should a held ball be called even though A1 is out of bounds? Where is this in the rule book?

[APG]

2011-2012 NFHS Case Book

*7.6.4 SITUATION F: Thrower A1 inadvertently holds the ball through the endline plane during a throw-in. B1 is able to get his/her hands on the ball and A1 cannot pull it back.

RULING: A held ball is called, resulting in an alternating-possession throw-in. If the original throw-in is an alternating-possession throw-in, Team A still has the arrow following the held ball.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by jhc2010

Team A has a throw-in. A1 reaches the ball through the plane and B1 grabs the ball and ties it up. Should a held ball be called even though A1 is out of bounds? Where is this in the rule book?

Yes. Around page 63 of the Case Book (but I'm looking at last year's).

[JugglingReferee]

Yes.

Team A just has another APA throw-in.

5.8.1 for starters...

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by jhc2010

team a has a throw-in. A1 reaches the ball through the plane and b1 grabs the ball and ties it up. Should a held ball be called even though a1 is out of bounds? Where is this in the rule book?

7.6.4f

(Wow, you other guys are fast with your responses! You must have employment like I have where you can just stand by monitoring the forum 12 hours a day at the ready to fire off the first answer possible.)

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Yes.

Team A just has another APA throw-in.

5.8.1 for starters...

Not necessarily, if it wasn't an AP throw-in to begin with.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Not necessarily, if it wasn't an AP throw-in to begin with.

My bad. I read the OP be to be throw-in due to a held ball, rather than a held ball on a throw-in.

[Amesman]

Is it 2012 already? OK, we've established at least one of us is off to a slow start ... I forget why, if this is an AP situation, the ball doesn't revert to B to inbound on this play.

And a related query from locker room musings weeks ago by a fellow official: While all contact by a defending reaching across to an inbounder is now deemed an intentional foul, what's the call if, as in the OP above, inbounder A reaches across the imaginary line and then is hacked on the arm? Just a personal foul on B?

[tref]

Originally Posted by Amesman

And a related query from locker room musings weeks ago by a fellow official: While all contact by a defending reaching across to an inbounder is now deemed an intentional foul, what's the call if, as in the OP above, inbounder A reaches across the imaginary line and then is hacked on the arm? Just a personal foul on B?

Contact with the thrower-in by the defender (no matter where the ball is in regards to OOB or across the inbounds plane is an intentional personal foul.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Amesman

And a related query from locker room musings weeks ago by a fellow official: While all contact by a defending reaching across to an inbounder is now deemed an intentional foul, what's the call if, as in the OP above, inbounder A reaches across the imaginary line and then is hacked on the arm? Just a personal foul on B?

9.2 PENALTIES . . . intentional foul regardless whether the inbounder has his arms over the in- or out-of-bounds area.

(Shucks, not quick enough again!)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Amesman

Is it 2012 already? OK, we've established at least one of us is off to a slow start ... I forget why, if this is an AP situation, the ball doesn't revert to B to inbound on this play.

Hint: When does the arrow change?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Amesman

Is it 2012 already? OK, we've established at least one of us is off to a slow start ... I forget why, if this is an AP situation, the ball doesn't revert to B to inbound on this play.

If the above play was an alternating possession throw-in, and B1 is able to cause a held ball with thrower A1, it doesn't revert to B because Team A's throw-in hasn't ended and the AP doesn't change unless A commits a violation or until the throw-in is completed.

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by Freddy

9.2 PENALTIES . . . intentional foul regardless whether the inbounder has his arms over the in- or out-of-bounds area.

(Shucks, not quick enough again!)

Thanks, both. Only had copies of last year's books at the office.

But back to my original sheepish question: Why doesn't possession go to Team B if it's AP (held ball) time? There was no violation or foul by B.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Amesman

I forget why, if this is an AP situation, the ball doesn't revert to B to inbound on this play.

Because, by rule, the AP throw-in has not yet ended.

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by Amesman

Thanks, both. Only had copies of last year's books at the office.

But back to my original sheepish question: Why doesn't possession go to Team B if it's AP (held ball) time? There was no violation or foul by B.

Thanks Bob, Hawkeye and APG -- was just buried in my own typing in previous comment/question and didin't see your answers. Seems odd that this could go Groundhog's Day if B did it, say, several times in a row.