OOB or held ball?

[ysong]

Here is another one that I need help with.

2 players from different teams firmly grab the ball, and while jugging for the sole control, 1 player loses his balance and has to move several steps and eventually goes OOB. The ball is still being held by both players, while 1 inbound and 1 OOB.

Should a "held ball" be called in this case instead of OOB (albeit a little bit late)?

Thanks.

ysong

[JRutledge]

If the held ball happened first, call the held ball.

This is after all why we get paid the big bucks. You have to make some decisions some of the time.

Peace

[ysong]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If the held ball happened first, call the held ball.

This is after all why we get paid the big bucks. You have to make some decisions some of the time.

Peace

Thanks. I am all set for this week.

Enjoy the weekend!

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is after all why we get paid the big bucks.

So how do you deposit this guy into your ATM?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

So how do you deposit this guy into your ATM?

Where I am from, a rifle usually works.

Peace

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Where I am from, a rifle usually works.

So your PIN is 30 aught 6?

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by ysong

2 players from different teams firmly grab the ball, and while jugging for the sole control, 1 player loses his balance and has to move several steps and eventually goes OOB. The ball is still being held by both players, while 1 inbound and 1 OOB.

Rather than held ball/oob, why isn't this a travelling violation instead?

Originally Posted by ma_ref

Rather than held ball/oob, why isn't this a travelling violation instead?

Because it was an NBA game

Seriously, judging by the description of the OP it sounds as if the held ball clearly came before the travel & OOB.

Originally Posted by ysong

2 players from different teams firmly grab the ball...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

Rather than held ball/oob, why isn't this a travelling violation instead?

Held Ball Definition says:

Rule 4-25-1, "A held ball occurs when.....opponents have their hands so firmly on the ball that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness."

The player never falls without a struggle for the ball. How can you call a travel if you believe both individuals were struggling for the ball?

Peace

[ysong]

I assumed the "travelling" was out of the question because neither player had the control of the ball.

Interestingly, does that mean both players are free from the "travelling" restriction until one gets the control of the ball or the whistle is blown?

Thanks.

[JRutledge]

If both play is not in control of the ball, they cannot travel now can they? What do you want to call a double traveling violation?

Peace

[Reffing Rev.]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If both play is not in control of the ball, they cannot travel now can they? What do you want to call a double traveling violation?

Peace

I don't want to work with the ref whose watching their feet.